barn owl vs martins

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gray fox
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Is there a chance they can coexist?
Louise Chambers
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Rodents would normally be first choice for barn owls - what is the situation? Are the barn owls using a barn that is close to your martins? We have barred, screech, and great horned owls near one of our sites, and I saw a barn owl there just once, roosting down in the woods. We do regular nest checks and have not lost any martins to owls that we know of - we have owl guards on all gourds, have since day #1. The barred owl will use gourd racks for a hunting perch, but seem very focused on frogs. We've seen one land on ground and walk through grass around pond - frog legs!
gray fox
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I open barn owl box every year trying to get them.
Black Jack
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gray fox wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:43 am
I open barn owl box every year trying to get them.
You do not make much sense with your post. Do you mean to harm the barn owl?
You should be clear on what your intentions are.
Whippy
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Martin Colony History: 2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - ?

Black Jack wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:03 pm
gray fox wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:43 am
I open barn owl box every year trying to get them.
You do not make much sense with your post. Do you mean to harm the barn owl?
You should be clear on what your intentions are.
Jack,

I read that as he has opened a nesting box for the barn owl and in doing so he may be concerned about the owl preying on the martins if they are, in fact, in close proximity to each other. I have no personal experience of the relationship so I can't help but thought I might chime in with my interpretation of comments.

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Conrad Baker
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I know that they make and sell owl guards for Martin housing, apparently for good reason. But it seems that Owls are mostly active at night and Martins are more active in the day. I rarely see any owls out in the daytime, but I guess their scouting for food time could overlap the hours that Martins are moving about. My reply probably sounds silly and no help to the OP, but I thought I would throw my 2 cents in anyway, and it"s probably not worth that.
Conrad Baker
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I'm thinking the OP wanted to know if there is a possibility that Barn Owls and Martins can peacefully coexist, and his second post is a declaration that he opens an owl nestbox every year in an effort to attract barn owls to nest there. He may be concerned for the safety of his Martins with the barn owls nesting so close. I don't think he has to worry about the Martins harming the Owls, but the owls could very well be a threat to the safety of his Martins.
flyin-lowe
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Conrad Baker wrote:
Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:47 pm
I know that they make and sell owl guards for Martin housing, apparently for good reason. But it seems that Owls are mostly active at night and Martins are more active in the day. I rarely see any owls out in the daytime, but I guess their scouting for food time could overlap the hours that Martins are moving about. My reply probably sounds silly and no help to the OP, but I thought I would throw my 2 cents in anyway, and it"s probably not worth that.
The owls will land on the box and flap their wings against the side scaring the martins to fly out after dark. If they don't fly out the owls will reach in, it is amazing how long their legs actually are under those feathers. In deeper cavities the martins will feel safer and not flush out as easily. The guards help keep the owls from getting as close to the opening so they can't reach in as far.

I also agree that the OP is stating they have a barn owl box that they offer and are wanting to know if this is a good idea or not.
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
flyin-lowe
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A google search of owl leg images shows some impressive results.
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
gray fox
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I am making sense. If I am talking about coexist do you think I won't to kill them. Im not going to attract them to kill . I guess it doesn't really matter .Ive tried for about thirty years to get them my chances aren't good.There endangered.The great horned owl is the one I would kill if I was in for owl killing. There also protected.
Conrad Baker
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Grey Fox, Thank you for clearing that up. I think most of us had an idea what you were asking. Good Luck in your Martin season !!
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