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white-out
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Hi, we are expected 90+ degree days and it's my first time with pinkies. Any advice on venting a Troyer gourd, mine are horizontals, if that matters. Not sure what size and all required in mounting

Do you think I can lower my rack and take a lid off a gourd that is not being used and modify the cap with pvc ells and then lower it back down an swap lids with nesting gourd? Tanks, Doug
flyin-lowe
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Yes you can get another lid ready if you want and that would be the best way to go. I’m not sure temps in the 90 s would be fatal to them at that age and they won’t be able to jump. They will definitely be more comfortable with ventilation though. There should also be some little raised areas on the back of you gourd. They are designed to be drilled out at an upward angle to provide ventilation as we. If you look at the gourd you will see what I mean. Drill up from below the “canopy” which will help keep water out. If you are going to vent the lids you can get some 90 degree PVC elbows that you can screw in, then use silicone around the connection point.
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
white-out
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Flyin, what size elbow would you use? Do you put screening over the opening? Sorry for my typing...spilled coffee all over my laptop...everything sticks...urrrg!
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Martin Colony History: I have been exposed to purple martin sounds in utero when my mother went out to get my father away from his martin colony.
I played around the martin colony every summer and watched as my father maintained his colony. In the late 50's until the 70's he did not notice European Starlings in south Texas.
When old enough, I helped maintain his colony. My primary task was eliminating English House Sparrows with a 1956 Benjamin 317 .177 air rifle.
When I settled into my own home, I started my first colony with an original Trio Castle and Trio Grandpa. When I moved again, I did not put up any martin houses. Frustration with European Starlings in the Southeast US was overwhelming.
Found PMCA Forum and learned about modern enlarged compartments and SREHs.
Inherited my father's last martin house, a Trio Grandma, modified it to modern specifications and have had good results since then.

Doug,
I use 3/4" PVC 90 degrees elbows. The male end is pipe thread and the female end is straight slip fit. I use a 1" hole saw to cut the hole into the lid or into the gourd. I screw the male pipe thread into the 1" hole. A trace amount of silicone glue or chalk seals the threads from leaking.
I use PVC plugs to close vents during the cold spring.
Follow Louise Chambers' advise, keep vents plugged up to daytime high temperatures of 90 degrees F. When the female martin has to leave the eggs and new born pinkies to feed the warm compartment will be an advantage. Above 90 degrees F daytime temperatures, remove the vent plugs to prevent extreme compartment temperatures.
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Mark.
Firm believer in HOSP/EUST Control, Enlarged Compartments, SREHs, Pole Predator Guards, Owl/Hawk Guards, Mite/Parasite Control, Housing Insulation, and Vents for Compartment Cooling.
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white-out
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I can't thank you all enough!
Bruce Springsteen wrote "God have mercy on the man who doubts what he's sure of".
I laugh at myself when I post questions but just want to be sure.....I'ld like to do my part the best I can. thanks again, Doug
Peter Alberda
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Martin Colony History: Started with Amish copy of Trendsetter 12 room house, added Trio Grandpa with expanded rooms, and North Star 8. Taking Trendsetter down this spring and adding gourd rack.

Has anyone ever done a test to see what the temperature is in a gourd when the temperature is 90 degrees and the sun is shining brightly?
2015-2020 A few lookers....Might have a pair.
2014 - ASY male and SY female fledged four chicks.
2013 - Several visitors but none stayed to nest.
2012 - Lots of visitors all season long. We had a pair of sys but no chicks survived.
2011 - New location - A few visitors
2010 - First year – Poor house location.
flyin-lowe
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I have seen studies done before. For some reason I think some were scientific and some were members on here who did their own tests at home. I can't remember where they were posted at on here though. I just remember seeing some heat related results.
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
white-out
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I did a nest check today and the 4 babies were spread out as far away from each other as possible. I installed a 3/4" elbow on the lid and was worried about the chemical smell of the silicon. I guess everything is ok & Ma & Pa are back to feeding. Forecasting another week of 90+ degrees..........arg!

Question: why would Troyer not make vents standard on all their gourds?
EarlG
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https://link not allowed.com/extreme-heat-a-37.html

This is a good article on extreme heat in PM housing. It also mentions that Troyers have dimples on the upper part of their gourds to drill 1/4 inch holes to help ventilate the gourds. I am hoping that the above link is clickable but not sure until I try,

Link did not work but if you want to read the article insert Purole Martin Place in the spot that says link not allowed.
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2020 24 Pair, 126; 109; tbd
2019 24 Pair, 130 Eggs, 102 Hatched, 83 Fledged
2018 20 Pair, 121 Eggs, 87 Hatched, 86 Fledged
2017 16 Pair, 93 Eggs, 87 Hatched, 86 Fledged
2016 23 Pair, 122 Eggs, 107 Hatched, 101 Fledged
2015 16 Pair, 82 Eggs, 70 Hatched, 68 Fledged
2014 11 Pair, 38 Fledged
2013 1 Pair, 5 Fledged
EarlG
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double post. Sorry about that.
2020 24 Pair, 126; 109; tbd
2019 24 Pair, 130 Eggs, 102 Hatched, 83 Fledged
2018 20 Pair, 121 Eggs, 87 Hatched, 86 Fledged
2017 16 Pair, 93 Eggs, 87 Hatched, 86 Fledged
2016 23 Pair, 122 Eggs, 107 Hatched, 101 Fledged
2015 16 Pair, 82 Eggs, 70 Hatched, 68 Fledged
2014 11 Pair, 38 Fledged
2013 1 Pair, 5 Fledged
white-out
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Earl, not sure how to "insert l" into a link? Tried searching "extreme heat" under "topic" without good results. Thanks.

Would it be ok to remove an empty gourd and put in the 2 venting elbows and swap gourds with a new nest? Is it bad to lower the rack in this heat 3x in two days? Thanks
EarlG
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I don't know about lowering the rack 3 times in 2 days. And I do not know if more vents would give you that much additional ventilation. I have Troyer gourds and use only the ventilation that the 1/4 inch drilled holes provide, for the most part. I have 4 lids with ventilation that I have used in July when necessary. It gets really hot here in EastTexas but the PMs seem to survive very well. Just use your own judgement because we are all learning as we go. Sorry I could not be of more assistance.

I believe that the babies will be ok if the nest is dry and mites are not present. Wet nests should be replaced and mites should be treated with sevin. Just keep being vigil as you have been.
2020 24 Pair, 126; 109; tbd
2019 24 Pair, 130 Eggs, 102 Hatched, 83 Fledged
2018 20 Pair, 121 Eggs, 87 Hatched, 86 Fledged
2017 16 Pair, 93 Eggs, 87 Hatched, 86 Fledged
2016 23 Pair, 122 Eggs, 107 Hatched, 101 Fledged
2015 16 Pair, 82 Eggs, 70 Hatched, 68 Fledged
2014 11 Pair, 38 Fledged
2013 1 Pair, 5 Fledged
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Joined: Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:19 pm
Location: TN/Collierville
Martin Colony History: I have been exposed to purple martin sounds in utero when my mother went out to get my father away from his martin colony.
I played around the martin colony every summer and watched as my father maintained his colony. In the late 50's until the 70's he did not notice European Starlings in south Texas.
When old enough, I helped maintain his colony. My primary task was eliminating English House Sparrows with a 1956 Benjamin 317 .177 air rifle.
When I settled into my own home, I started my first colony with an original Trio Castle and Trio Grandpa. When I moved again, I did not put up any martin houses. Frustration with European Starlings in the Southeast US was overwhelming.
Found PMCA Forum and learned about modern enlarged compartments and SREHs.
Inherited my father's last martin house, a Trio Grandma, modified it to modern specifications and have had good results since then.

EarlG,
Am I a bad landlord if I raise and lower a martin house 3-4 times in a day if I have to do emergency repairs on a martin house?
The martins don't leave or abandon the housing. They accept and seem to appreciate the improvements.

Doug,
If it will benefit the martins, then do it.
Mark.
Firm believer in HOSP/EUST Control, Enlarged Compartments, SREHs, Pole Predator Guards, Owl/Hawk Guards, Mite/Parasite Control, Housing Insulation, and Vents for Compartment Cooling.
PMCA Member.
white-out
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Thanks all,

FYI, yesterday I removed an empty horizontal gourd, drilled and added elbows. With no nesting material, the outside temp was 92 degrees and the inside of gourd was 98.......later in the day the temp dropped to 88 and the inside of the gourd was 83.
EarlG
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White-out you did really good. Yes you take action when action is necessary. Martins are very resilient.
2020 24 Pair, 126; 109; tbd
2019 24 Pair, 130 Eggs, 102 Hatched, 83 Fledged
2018 20 Pair, 121 Eggs, 87 Hatched, 86 Fledged
2017 16 Pair, 93 Eggs, 87 Hatched, 86 Fledged
2016 23 Pair, 122 Eggs, 107 Hatched, 101 Fledged
2015 16 Pair, 82 Eggs, 70 Hatched, 68 Fledged
2014 11 Pair, 38 Fledged
2013 1 Pair, 5 Fledged
Spiderman
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white-out wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:29 pm
Thanks all,

FYI, yesterday I removed an empty horizontal gourd, drilled and added elbows. With no nesting material, the outside temp was 92 degrees and the inside of gourd was 98.......later in the day the temp dropped to 88 and the inside of the gourd was 83.
I would do this with an empty Gourd and then use it to replace a Gourd with babies then move the babies. Then work your way around the rack until all the babies live in vented gourds.

I have two 3/4" ells in the back of the Gourd and another one in the lid. It eliminated my heat problems with baby Martins and we have some 100 degree days here.
2008 - 33 PAIR - FLEDGED 96 YOUNG
2009 - 51 PAIR - FLEDGED 166 YOUNG
2010 - 45 PAIR - FLEDGED 146 YOUNG
2011 - 33 PAIR - 128 HATCHED, 97 FLEDGED
2012 - 37 PAIR - 119 HATCHED, 101 FLEDGED
white-out
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Good to know, thanks! Doug
Ladybug
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Location: Indiana/ Jamestown
Martin Colony History: 2005-2019. Lots lookers, 2 successful nesting's.
2010- 1 pair nested,eggs destroyed(Wren).
2012- 1 pair nested, 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2019- 1 pair nested, 4 eggs, 4 fledged.

The PMCA sells Gourd lids/caps already vented.
You can check the PMCA site online.
Hope this info is helpful..
Good luck.
Joanne
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