Made the Entrance Change

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Whippy
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Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:15 pm
Location: Plano, Texas
Martin Colony History: 2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - ?

Made the Entrance Change

Postby Whippy » Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:48 pm

Much discussion has been had about round holes vs SREH's. I've also put a lot of thought into it. Since I don't have a starling problem I've decided to change 6 of my Horizontal Troyers from the Conley to the Round hole entrances. Most of my decision was due to viewing the reluctance of females sitting on the porch but not trying to enter. In addition to that, I also recognized that, growing up here in the area, all I've ever seen are Trios with round entrances. Sure the gourds and SREH's are making a presence here however, I felt the Martins would be more comfortable going in and out the round hole. Once I changed from the Crescent to round holes in my S&K Bo11's and BigBo gourds, they are being used more frequently.

So now I have 18 gourds in total. 14 of them now have round holes and I left 4 Troyers with Conley Entrances since they are currently being used.

Also want to thank Diane from troyergourds.com She went the extra mile to make sure my order shipped as she knew I currently have Martins making their selections and pairing up. The Corona Virus had threatened the delay in shipping but she got it done.

The Troyer in the top right of the photo was interesting in that, yes I've seen an ASY male go in and out but he never stayed the night, but when I opened it up, the pine needles had a very nice bowl made in them and there were some leaves at the bottom as well. I've never seen a female or an ASY male carry anything in there. Crazy. In any case, they got a new entrance. I hope they like it if they are paired up.

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Brad Biddle
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Location: Marshall County AL

Re: Made the Entrance Change

Postby Brad Biddle » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:11 pm

By all means, use the entrances you choose to use, but.... SREH aren't keeping your colony from growing.

When I started the colony on the farm, I went from 4 pair the first year to 102 pair the 4th year in an area where at least 95% of all colonies at the time were using round holes, and I'm being generous by saying 95%, not 99%. Regardless I don't have the option of offering round holes and unless some Starling specific pathogen or poison pops up that wipes them out, I never will.

I've tried trapping with very little effect. I shoot them all the time. Still little to no effect. They're the most common bird in my area.

Starlings in your area probably have already selected their nesting sites. Late next winter, with those round holes hanging on horizontal gourds, you'll know exactly what kind of Starling population you have. Those are Starling magnets.
Martin landlord since 2003. Currently offering 102 plastic gourds with tunnels and all SREH.

flyin-lowe
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Re: Made the Entrance Change

Postby flyin-lowe » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:16 pm

I'm curious to see if you notice much difference in what they choose and how they act. I feel like the Conley II is one of the easiest SREH for martins to get into. I don't think the behavior you are seeing from martins has anything to do with the entrance but I have definitely been wrong before.
2020 (HOSP Count 2)
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

Whippy
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Location: Plano, Texas
Martin Colony History: 2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - ?

Re: Made the Entrance Change

Postby Whippy » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:08 pm

Brad,

I do tend to over think things and at the same time quite anxious to grow my colony. I'm seeing more Martins in my airspace and on my gourds than I ever have since starting 5 years ago. My desire to grow my colony makes me do strange things with the idea I'm helping. In any case, I do believe the Conley II is an effective deterrent and easy for the Martins to use as I've seen them hit those on the fly so it seems. If the starlings do show up my son will have fun shooting them and if it gets real bad I have no problem changing back to SREH's in all of the gourds.

I also believe location effects colony growth not so much the entrance holes.

Brad,

You are probably correct. The Conley II is very easy for them to enter. However, in my mind, I noticed quite a bit of hesitation on this years birds trying to enter so I figured I would "make it easier" for them. As I think about it, I think it's their behavior to stand outside and look in for a while before entering. I've certainly seen them do that over the years. If I see any change in gourd selection or behavior I will definitely follow up with a report in this thread. But the big thing is starling control. If they appear I'll take action but for now I just don't see a problem.

Thanks, guys.

Coolwhips

flyin-lowe
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Re: Made the Entrance Change

Postby flyin-lowe » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:20 pm

I've observed that even at established colones when martins first arrive the don't always go into cavities. They will stick their heads in checking things out before eventually going in to make their decision. I think many people mistake this causing SREH anxiety.
2020 (HOSP Count 2)
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

Whippy
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Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:15 pm
Location: Plano, Texas
Martin Colony History: 2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - ?

Re: Made the Entrance Change

Postby Whippy » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:29 pm

I've observed that even at established colonies when martins first arrive the don't always go into cavities. They will stick their heads in checking things out before eventually going in to make their decision. I think many people mistake this causing SREH anxiety.


I agree with you on that. I've seen that over and over in the last 5 years. I really think SREH anxiety is on the landlord not the Martins. :lol: I just have had a lot of time to sit and watch this spring as opposed to last spring so I'm more "hands on" and tinkering around a bit. I did find it interesting that the S&K gourds are now being used with the round entrance when they weren't before with the crescent. I do have one ASY male in my #5 gourd who was there last year with the crescent. I didn't change his.

Coolwhips.

flyin-lowe
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Re: Made the Entrance Change

Postby flyin-lowe » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:18 am

Yeah, the term SREH anxiety is geared toward the landlord not the birds....
2020 (HOSP Count 2)
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

Whippy
Posts: 417
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:15 pm
Location: Plano, Texas
Martin Colony History: 2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - ?

Re: Made the Entrance Change

Postby Whippy » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:46 am

We could probably add a boatload of landlord anxieties on top of that one. :lol:

flyin-lowe
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Re: Made the Entrance Change

Postby flyin-lowe » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:25 am

Yeah, but most of the others are warranted. I don't think anyone would not be able to house martins solely because of SREH.
2020 (HOSP Count 2)
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

Whippy
Posts: 417
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:15 pm
Location: Plano, Texas
Martin Colony History: 2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - ?

Re: Made the Entrance Change

Postby Whippy » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:39 am

Yeah, but most of the others are warranted. I don't think anyone would not be able to house martins solely because of SREH.

I agree. Not saying one is better than the other. Just trying it out since I've seen hardly any starlings in my area. Maybe one every year stops by then leaves.

I did have a starling pop by a few minutes ago. He left before my son could line him up. It is true that the round holes are magnets for them.

Coolwhips

SSMartin
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Re: Made the Entrance Change

Postby SSMartin » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:46 pm

I took down my round hole THG because starlings showed up and started using them. I didn’t want to chance a staring attack while at work or simply not at home...so got rid of the round entrances.

It only takes a few minutes for a male staring to kill a Martin inside a gourd. Why take the chance?

Funny thing is I have a s&k house with the sreh and no porch. They really struggle to enter but they fill those 8 rooms up first. In fact my first year with just the house I emailed them to make sure they could enter because the asy males couldn’t enter. I would watch them struggle and struggle. They said they’ll figure it out and sure enough they did. Already have eggs in the house as of yesterday.

flyin-lowe
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Re: Made the Entrance Change

Postby flyin-lowe » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:07 pm

I think any cavity that they can fit in is a magnet for them. This time of year, as soon as I put my housing up the starling are all over it for a few days until they finally give up. If you had an SREH shaped opening that was large enough for starlings to fit in I am certain they would choose that just as often as they would a round hole. They just need a cavity to nest in and will try anything.
2020 (HOSP Count 2)
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.


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