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C4thMartin
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New member needing advise

Postby C4thMartin » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:08 am

I have a property in Ontario Canada that maybe just at the northern limit of Purple Martin travel - but wondering with the changing weather patterns if I might be able to attract Martins – the location is N 46.17100 W 79.93750 (this location is still considered Souther Ontario but at the border of Northern Ontario) - the housing location would be on a dock that has enough fly zone from building or trees - the dock is a flowing dock but does not move that much - certainly not as much as a gourd would in a breeze. This is a remote area and we have enough mosquitoes to feed Martins that they may become so full they may not be able to fly! The Dragon Flies are numerous and have a field day. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

C4thMartin
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Location: Ontario

Re: New member needing advise

Postby C4thMartin » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:11 am

That should be "floating" not flowing

C.C.Martins
Posts: 688
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- didnt know anything about martins, put up an all wrong house in 2016 and had two come by and inspect all the cavities. Left soon after not to return. Learned what i could on PMCA, made adjustments and next year was sucessful.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged.
2018-18 pair. 85 fledged.
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
Home colony: 12 natural gourds, one modified house. 18 cavities in total.
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Re: New member needing advise

Postby C.C.Martins » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:32 am

C4th,
Looked at the martin scout reports for the last few years for your area, Ottawa, and Montreal all reported martins. Not everyone who has birds reports, my bet there are more land lords. Why not give it a try?
Tom

2016- didnt know anything about martins, put up an all wrong house in 2016 and had two come by and inspect all the cavities. Left soon after not to return. Learned what i could on PMCA, made adjustments and next year was sucessful.
2017- 5 pair. 15 Fledged
2018-18 pairs. 85 Fledged.
2019-17 pair. 81 fledged.
Offering: 12 natural gourds, w/crescents and WDC openings. 6 modified compartment house, crescents with tunnels.

C4thMartin
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Joined: Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:48 am
Location: Ontario

Re: New member needing advise

Postby C4thMartin » Sun Nov 24, 2019 12:49 pm

Thank you

Dave Duit
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Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:02 pm
Location: state:Iowa / town:Nevada
Martin Colony History: In 2019, 54 pair with 218 fledged youngsters. 83 total compartments available, 58 Troyer Horizontal gourds and 4 modified trio metal house units, owl cages around all units. Martin educator and speaker. President of the Iowa Purple Martin Organization. Please visit www.iamartin.org and join.

Re: New member needing advise

Postby Dave Duit » Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:13 am

Hi c4thmartin,
Thanks for being our newest member and welcome. The floating dock gourd set up is a great idea as it provides a super open fly zone. Even though your location is at the northern range of martins it will attract martins if well managed. My only suggestion is to keep the starlings and sparrows away from your location through either trapping or shooting. The martins will make a very small dent in the mosquito population as their main food source is actually dragonflies. Mosquitos make up only about 1% of their diet. The old mosquito fable has been going on for years, so don't feel bad as most of the general public still think martins eat tons of mosquitos.
Mite control, heat venting, predator protection and additional feeding during bad weather add up to success.

phldave
Posts: 490
Joined: Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:44 pm
Location: Iowa/Pleasant Hill
Martin Colony History: Started trying in 2012 and still trying

Re: New member needing advise

Postby phldave » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:15 pm

They've discovered why waste your time catching little teeny skeeters, when you can have big plump dragonfly's. No brainer there!
2012 late start
2013 nothing yet, lots a lookers
2014 Bust again
2015 Bust again
2016 Bust again
2017 Bust again
2018 April 14 a group joined me, but moved on after a week
2019 Had SY male seriously check me out but didn't stay

flyin-lowe
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Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

Re: New member needing advise

Postby flyin-lowe » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:47 am

If you haven't done so already I would check out the scout map on here, and also start looking around for any martin houses near you. Talk to anyone you can who has a martin house and see what there experiences are. I have never had a bad experience approaching someone with a martin house in their yard and starting the conversation by asking about them.
2019- Currently 31 complete nests (27 with eggs or babies) 94 babies hatched and 19 eggs still to hatch) 6-22-19
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

Ryan
Posts: 246
Joined: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:19 pm
Location: Eganville, Ontario
Martin Colony History: Visitors are rare. Two SY males seen in 9 years.

Re: New member needing advise

Postby Ryan » Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:35 pm

What area of Ontario are you in, I copied co-ordinates and it puts you near north bay?
Home site: 12 cedar chalets - Plus two satellite sites which are also empty.
2010- 1 SY male on and off for a couple weeks
2011- 0 visits
2012- 0 visits
2013- 0 visits
2014- 1 SY male stopped in here and there for two weeks.
2015- 0 visits
2016- 0 visits
2017- 0 visits
2018- 0 visits
2019- Break-through year. Had a SY Male stop in on June 7th and stay all day, every day until end of June. Hoping he returns in 2020 because I'm getting sick of updating this list.

C4thMartin
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Location: Ontario

Re: New member needing advise

Postby C4thMartin » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:02 am

Yes, I am near North Bay. Across Lake Nipissing and on the French River which drains the lake.

Ryan
Posts: 246
Joined: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:19 pm
Location: Eganville, Ontario
Martin Colony History: Visitors are rare. Two SY males seen in 9 years.

Re: New member needing advise

Postby Ryan » Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:13 pm

That's pretty north. I thought I was north lol.

I know on ebird.org you can look at the purple martin species map and see back to all purple martin sightings ever taken and there's certainly some by you and even more north. Most of them were from the 70s I think.

You're about 2 hours north of me but really the climate would probably suit the birds fine. You and I are only a few degrees off. Cold spring nights but the northern Alberta range is probably similar. Our biggest issue is flyovers. There is simply very few Martin's passing over me going north which makes the sightings and attracting of them very rare. You're even in a tougher spot with less flyovers.

Have you ever seen a purple martin anywhere close to your location? It's hard to draw them in from far. My story is: closest colony 27 miles straight line from me. Small colony. Next closest probably 50 miles. This will be year 10 coming up for me trying and playing the dawnsong every day. I've seen three Martin's total in 10 years. It's tough up north. Almost everyone in the US has dozens, hundreds or thousands of purple Martin's migrating within earshot of their dawnsong speaker each year. Not the case on the northern tip.

You'll need a dawnsong speaker set up in the spring, and a miracle. You might as well give it a shot.
Home site: 12 cedar chalets - Plus two satellite sites which are also empty.
2010- 1 SY male on and off for a couple weeks
2011- 0 visits
2012- 0 visits
2013- 0 visits
2014- 1 SY male stopped in here and there for two weeks.
2015- 0 visits
2016- 0 visits
2017- 0 visits
2018- 0 visits
2019- Break-through year. Had a SY Male stop in on June 7th and stay all day, every day until end of June. Hoping he returns in 2020 because I'm getting sick of updating this list.

Dave Reynolds
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Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

Re: New member needing advise

Postby Dave Reynolds » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:58 am

That's pretty north. I thought I was north lol.

I know on ebird.org you can look at the purple martin species map and see back to all purple martin sightings ever taken and there's certainly some by you and even more north. Most of them were from the 70s I think.

You're about 2 hours north of me but really the climate would probably suit the birds fine. You and I are only a few degrees off. Cold spring nights but the northern Alberta range is probably similar. Our biggest issue is flyovers. There is simply very few Martin's passing over me going north which makes the sightings and attracting of them very rare. You're even in a tougher spot with less flyovers.

Have you ever seen a purple martin anywhere close to your location? It's hard to draw them in from far. My story is: closest colony 27 miles straight line from me. Small colony. Next closest probably 50 miles. This will be year 10 coming up for me trying and playing the dawnsong every day. I've seen three Martin's total in 10 years. It's tough up north. Almost everyone in the US has dozens, hundreds or thousands of purple Martin's migrating within earshot of their dawnsong speaker each year. Not the case on the northern tip.

You'll need a dawnsong speaker set up in the spring, and a miracle. You might as well give it a shot.
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... Ryan .... That's great advice for C4thMartin ...

Welcome C4thMartins to the forum,,, Keep asking questions as you prepare for the up coming season.. There are many landlords here that will share their learning experiences, and help you with any Questions... Good Luck in 2020..

Dave
Home Site
2020 -- They are on the way.
2019 -- First pair, 5 eggs, 5 hatched, 5 fledged :wink:
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2020 -- They are on the way.
2019 -- 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Hatched and 97 Fledged :wink:
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:

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C4thMartin
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Location: Ontario

Re: New member needing advise

Postby C4thMartin » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:08 am

Thanks for all the advise - greatly appreciated!

Ryan
Posts: 246
Joined: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:19 pm
Location: Eganville, Ontario
Martin Colony History: Visitors are rare. Two SY males seen in 9 years.

Re: New member needing advise

Postby Ryan » Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:15 pm

Thanks for all the advise - greatly appreciated!
Have you seen any Martin's close to you?
Home site: 12 cedar chalets - Plus two satellite sites which are also empty.
2010- 1 SY male on and off for a couple weeks
2011- 0 visits
2012- 0 visits
2013- 0 visits
2014- 1 SY male stopped in here and there for two weeks.
2015- 0 visits
2016- 0 visits
2017- 0 visits
2018- 0 visits
2019- Break-through year. Had a SY Male stop in on June 7th and stay all day, every day until end of June. Hoping he returns in 2020 because I'm getting sick of updating this list.

TerryW
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Joined: Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:02 pm
Location: Nashville, Arkansas

Re: New member needing advise

Postby TerryW » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:54 pm

My advice is start out small and with cavities having round holes. New or 1st year martins are pretty timid. However, with round holes one needs to pay attention and also not be squeamish about having to control starlings and house sparrows. I would install only cavities that have an S&S trap that is designed to be used with it, you will probably only need one or two traps.

Don't fall to temptation of hauling the S&S away and releasing them. Dispose of them; just do it quietly, nothing illegal in USA to do that, don't know though about Canada.

Nothing wrong with having a couple additional cavities with starling resistant entrances and porches though; you might get lucky and lure a pair into a cavity that is used to those harder to enter cavities.


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