Question About Another Bird

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Question About Another Bird

Postby Roymg » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:06 pm

Down here in South Louisiana there is another smaller bird that looks like a Martin but I think it's a type
of Swallow. It has the same color pattern as a Martin. I was wondering if these birds also migrate to
South America with the Martins.

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Re: Question About Another Bird

Postby Dave Duit » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:28 pm

Difficult to determine the exact swallow species, but here is a small overview for you. Tree swallows will migrate to Central America, whereas six other swallow species would take you through much of South America. Cliff Swallows, you would have to go as far south as Argentina. This would cover many of the more common swallows migration for wintering grounds. There are many other swallows and too much to cover in this response, but I hope this helped.
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Re: Question About Another Bird

Postby Roymg » Mon Aug 06, 2018 3:57 pm

Dave,

Thanks for the reply...you answered my question along with some good info. I would think these are Tree
Swallows that we have here. Don't see them a whole lot but since my Martin group left I have noticed these
Swallows late in the afternoon, going to roost and at first I thought they were Martins. These birds, even though
they look like a Martin, are slightly smaller and a little quicker in flight.

Cheers,

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Re: Question About Another Bird

Postby Dave Reynolds » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:44 pm

Generally you can tell the Tree Swallows from the Martins because they don’t have a loud chip.. Where the Martins can be heard a long distant..

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Re: Question About Another Bird

Postby John & Linda - KY » Tue Aug 07, 2018 3:01 pm

Also, the tree swallow's breast is a very distinctive white. -- John

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Re: Question About Another Bird

Postby Roymg » Thu Aug 09, 2018 7:49 pm

Too late for light to see colors but I'm beginning to think they are Martins. They fly by every afternoon about dusk
one at a time and its difficult to get a good picture. If Martins, they must be young ones as they make no sounds.
It's hard to get a good picture. They fly a straight line, I suppose on their way to some roost. My group has long left
and these birds I only see at dusk. I did get this shot.
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Re: Question About Another Bird

Postby PMDavid » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:16 pm

So Roy,isn’t there a major roost at the ponchitrain bridge? How far from there are you ? It is a hard to see picture but it does in fact look a bit like a Martin. Often when swallows are flying you can pick out their forked looking tail,and I really don’t see that. Keep watching. At this point in the game the young ones are pretty close to full adult size ,maybe just not as filled out looking as a full sized adult. Keep looking till you really get some good sightings. It’s possible.

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Re: Question About Another Bird

Postby Roymg » Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:29 pm

David there is, at least last year, was a roost underneath the bridge on the South end of the lake. This year I've not heard the same. Not sure where they might be but they have in the past years always roosted under the causeway. Once went to watch them on the North end and was quite a site. The parish or city had set up fence screens on the sides of the outside road lanes to prevent collisions and also provided some bleachers for us to sit on. These birds would fly loops from underneath the bridge on then over the top and back underneath again. Was why the screens were needed.

Yes I'm beginning to believe these are Martins. They just seem to be hanging around past their time of usual departure.
At this time I didn't think I'd still be seeing them except maybe for some coming from further North.

Cheers,

Correction: Got my North South's screwed up. First line should be "North end of lake." Third line should be "South end and was".
Never have gotten use of terms North of Lake and South of Lake they use here since I moved from Baton Rouge.
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Re: Question About Another Bird

Postby flyin-lowe » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:59 pm

Easiest way to ID martins is by the vocalization. Once you hear them you realize nothing else floating around sounds like them. I word it that way because my mocking birds have made PM sounds. Go to YouTube and watch any videos of a Martin colony. You will hear their sound really quickly.
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Re: Question About Another Bird

Postby Dave Reynolds » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:52 pm

flyin-lowe wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:59 pm
Easiest way to ID martins is by the vocalization. Once you hear them you realize nothing else floating around sounds like them. I word it that way because my mocking birds have made PM sounds. Go to YouTube and watch any videos of a Martin colony. You will hear their sound really quickly.

,,,

Good answer flyin-Lowe... Once you hear the Martins singing and chirping, You will never forget that sound, and you will be able to identify Martins just by sound.. no need to even look up in the sky.. So if you have had Martins before, there won’t be any question rather it is a Martin or not..

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Re: Question About Another Bird

Postby Chris B » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:17 am

That rectangular tail tells me it is probably a bank swallow. I had a bunch around my place feeding on flying insects all through September and into October. PMs and TS leave at the end of August, barnies a tad later. No idea where these "bank swallows" nest or roost but it is nice having air cover after the PMs and TSs and barnies leave.

If it isn't a bank swallow, then what? The ones around my place have a closed tail shape that is very distinct from the PM, TS, and barnies, but it is still a fan.
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