Egg shells for Martins

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Spiderman
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Egg shells for Martins

Postby Spiderman » Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:28 pm

I have never put out left over egg shells from the kitchen before this year. Tried the crushed oyster shells, even crushed them finer into almost sand but no takers.

But the chicken egg shells are a different story. Had a bare spot in the yard with just dirt. Broke the shells into small pieces, put out 6 egg shells. There are 10 or 12 Martins at a time feeding on them as l'm walking away.

If you have the time you should give it a try.
2008 - 33 PAIR - FLEDGED 96 YOUNG
2009 - 51 PAIR - FLEDGED 166 YOUNG
2010 - 45 PAIR - FLEDGED 146 YOUNG
2011 - 33 PAIR - 128 HATCHED, 97 FLEDGED
2012 - 37 PAIR - 119 HATCHED, 101 FLEDGED

PMDavid
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Joined: Wed May 16, 2018 8:50 pm
Location: Boyce,Louisiana
Martin Colony History: First year trying to attract martins
Offering 8 compartment homemade wooden house w/4 natural gourds and C.Abare gourd rack w/16 natural gourds. Lots of lookers,a few overnighters and daily activity cruising and looking. All gourds have a rain canopy and wire perch. Will be adding a trio pioneer in 2019

Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby PMDavid » Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:57 pm

WOW ! That’s pretty cool. I had considered when I get some established birds installing a raised platform next to my gourds for eggshells,say maybe 8-10 ft high.

taxidermy lady
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Martin Colony History: Started trying to attract purple martins in 2012! It's finally happened in 2017! 5 years!!! ASY male and SY female came May 1st, fledged 5 babies!

Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby taxidermy lady » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:23 pm

The females will chow them before egg laying. Also they feed them to the babies as their bones develop. They love the eggshells! Good luck! :)
Sharon from southern Illinois

pmlover
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Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby pmlover » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:18 am

dont forget the scrambled eggs also lol
2015 69 pairs 418 eggs 396 fledged

2016 100 pairs 600 babies fledged added another t-14 and have 126 openings now
2015 Jun 24 360 babies and 58 eggs also found one that had died
2017 632 babies 11died and 20 were killed by hawks
2015 74 pairs and 9 eggs 5/14
2010 3pairss
JOINED PMCA JUNE 6,2018
2018 651 babies 5 hawk kills 11 floater kills 25 died in houses and 610 fledged

2014 80 pairs 283 babies 282 fledged one died

handyman315
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Location: SW Ohio
Martin Colony History: Colony established May 20, 2017 after three unsuccessful years. Persistent and aggressive Tree Swallows plagued the site, but beyond learning - and practicing - to control them, was the return in 2017 of a 2016-SY-M previously unable to find a mate. As a handsome ASY-M, he brought along two females and a swagger that soon put the Tree Swallow issue to rest. As the anchor pair, he and his mate hatched all six of their eggs into fat and healthy babies into what settled in to be a three-pair, flourishing new colony with up to 11 birds total, including 3 SY-M trouble makers.

Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby handyman315 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:49 am

I've tried platforms to get my PMs off the ground (I worry about hawks), but they won't touch them, but crunch the eggshells up very finely on the concrete driveway with my feet after the eggs are well sun baked and dried and the PMs flock to them, along with the Barn Swallows and Tree Swallows. Maybe it's the grit, maybe it's the calcium, but whatever it is they want them.
2018-ASY-M Arrived April 6, Despite Snow & Cold, Joined Soon by Mate & Two Adult Pairs, All Hunkered in the Cold
2017-FIRST-YEAR LANDLORD! :grin: Resident SY-M from 2016 Returned (as ASY-M) on May 20. At Least 11 Resident PMs, with 13 Fledged from Three Nests . . . (And Operated a Daily Flying Circus) :grin:
2016-Several Visits, Late-Arriving SYs, Resident Lone SY-M, Unable to Find Mate, Entered ALL Cavities
2015 & 2014-Many Visits

Spiderman
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Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby Spiderman » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:36 pm

Ours are eating 6 egg shells a day. I started mixing the whites from the boiled eggs and they ate them too.

They wouldn't go for the scrambled eggs. Not sure what the difference was with that.
2008 - 33 PAIR - FLEDGED 96 YOUNG
2009 - 51 PAIR - FLEDGED 166 YOUNG
2010 - 45 PAIR - FLEDGED 146 YOUNG
2011 - 33 PAIR - 128 HATCHED, 97 FLEDGED
2012 - 37 PAIR - 119 HATCHED, 101 FLEDGED

handyman315
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Location: SW Ohio
Martin Colony History: Colony established May 20, 2017 after three unsuccessful years. Persistent and aggressive Tree Swallows plagued the site, but beyond learning - and practicing - to control them, was the return in 2017 of a 2016-SY-M previously unable to find a mate. As a handsome ASY-M, he brought along two females and a swagger that soon put the Tree Swallow issue to rest. As the anchor pair, he and his mate hatched all six of their eggs into fat and healthy babies into what settled in to be a three-pair, flourishing new colony with up to 11 birds total, including 3 SY-M trouble makers.

Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby handyman315 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:18 am

Eggshells might be one of my biggest PM successes as a second-year landlord, i.e., they devour them, and yes, they do in fact feed them to their babies; I've watched them with binoculars, and my egg shells are really disappearing now that several pairs have babies.

They still prefer them crunched into fine pieces on the nearby concrete driveway, and will not go to the elevated feeder. The Barn Swallows join in as well, especially in late afternoons.
2018-ASY-M Arrived April 6, Despite Snow & Cold, Joined Soon by Mate & Two Adult Pairs, All Hunkered in the Cold
2017-FIRST-YEAR LANDLORD! :grin: Resident SY-M from 2016 Returned (as ASY-M) on May 20. At Least 11 Resident PMs, with 13 Fledged from Three Nests . . . (And Operated a Daily Flying Circus) :grin:
2016-Several Visits, Late-Arriving SYs, Resident Lone SY-M, Unable to Find Mate, Entered ALL Cavities
2015 & 2014-Many Visits

Hanover Bill
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Martin Colony History: 2009 & 10 - 0
2011 & 12 - Visitors
2013 - 2 pr. fledged 9
2014 - 3 pr. fledged 13
2015 - 7 pr. fledged 27
2016 - 15 pr. fledged 72

Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby Hanover Bill » Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:49 am

Mine love the egg shells taken off my bed & breakfast platform, and I am hoping it will help to train them to take supplemental feeding as well. So far I have had no luck with supplemental feeding, but they readily take the egg shells.

Hanover Bill.
2009 & 10 - 0
2011 & 12 - Visitors
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2014 - 3 pr. fledged 13
2015 - 7 pr. fledged 27
2016 - 15 pr. fledged 72

flyin-lowe
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Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby flyin-lowe » Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:01 am

I must be lucky because mine always take the oyster shells. They are cheap and I have a raised try. Fill it up before egg laying and they use it all season.
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

Dave Duit
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Martin Colony History: In 2017, 54 pair with 202 fledged youngsters. 73 total compartments available, 48 Troyer Horizontal gourds and 4 modified trio metal house units, owl cages around all units. Martin educator and speaker. President of the Iowa Purple Martin Organization. Please visit www.iamartin.org and join.

Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby Dave Duit » Sun Jul 15, 2018 12:03 pm

Parent martins will take crushed small egg shell pieces back to the cavity for their young. Calcium in the egg shells help build strong martin egg shells as well as replenish the females own calcium in their bones. It is also an excellent source of grit for martins.
Mite control, heat venting, predator protection and additional feeding during bad weather add up to success.

TheSmiths
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Martin Colony History: Trying to attract PMs since 2004; began a more ernest attempt in 2014. Modified Trio M12K at 15' w/3 gourds beneath; multi-rack w/8 gourds mounted at 20'.

2018 — 1 ASY pair & 1 SY pair in the Trio; 1 SY pair in a supergourd on the multi-rack. :D

Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby TheSmiths » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:41 pm

We have both eggshell and oyster shell in a tray ~5' off the ground. We've not seen any kind of bird use it. I put some eggshell on the edge of the road (dead end street) where we often see birds pecking; I think it remained there until the rain eventually washed it away.

Ed Svetich-WI
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Location: Brooks, Wi (McGinnis Lake)
Martin Colony History: 24 Super and Excluder Gourds on two gourd racks, all SREH. Full occupancy. My philosophy is to maximize fledge % with existing cavities rather than adding gourds to grow colony, thus providing opportunities for new colony expansion. Fledge over 100 nestlings yearly from 24 gourds. Band nestlings in cooperation with state university.

Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby Ed Svetich-WI » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:40 pm

A readily available source of calcium is critical to females for properly formed eggs. Calcium depletion is possible if the female of any avian species does not replentish the calcium that she loses when egg shells are deposited on the egg. Any source of calcium is better than none.

I used egg shells many years ago until I read a research article in the Purple Martin Quarterly which compared egg shells with oyster shell as a source of calcium for purple martins. To make a long story short, providing oyster shell to martins resulted in more eggs and more chicks when compared to egg shells.

With only 24 gourds, the martins here consume two 1# coffee cans of oyster shell on a raised platform during their stay here. Egg shells are better than nothing, but apparently not as good as oyster shell.

Produce as many martins as possible.

Ed

Dave Duit
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Martin Colony History: In 2017, 54 pair with 202 fledged youngsters. 73 total compartments available, 48 Troyer Horizontal gourds and 4 modified trio metal house units, owl cages around all units. Martin educator and speaker. President of the Iowa Purple Martin Organization. Please visit www.iamartin.org and join.

Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby Dave Duit » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:33 pm

Good point Ed. I put out both oyster and eggs shells for the martins. I go through about 2 gallons of eggs shells per season.
Mite control, heat venting, predator protection and additional feeding during bad weather add up to success.

Jim Beatson~SC
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31 of 32 gourds occupied 2017

Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby Jim Beatson~SC » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:00 pm

I offer crushed eggs shells and pullet-sized crushed oyster shells on a sand pile in the corner of my garden near the gourd racks. The Martins and other birds eat them during egg laying time and feed them to the young.
Jim

BillieJR
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Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby BillieJR » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:08 pm

Where do you guys get your oyster shells at? I've only used egg shells.
Billie from southern Wisonsin

vman
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Martin Colony History: have not had martins for last 20 yrs. trying to re establish a colony
2018 1 asy pair fledged 2

Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby vman » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:00 pm

Billie, you can get oyster shells at fleet farm, probably farm and fleet in your area, but they sell them in 50 # bags for 10.00. However, we put out shells for our one pair but they never looked at them, for that matter, we've not seen them touch the egg shells either,not sure why.
Jim

TheSmiths
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Location: Western KY
Martin Colony History: Trying to attract PMs since 2004; began a more ernest attempt in 2014. Modified Trio M12K at 15' w/3 gourds beneath; multi-rack w/8 gourds mounted at 20'.

2018 — 1 ASY pair & 1 SY pair in the Trio; 1 SY pair in a supergourd on the multi-rack. :D

Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby TheSmiths » Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:01 am

Ours is a 7 lb bag of Nutrena NatureWise Oyster Shell. According to Blain's Farm & Fleet website, your local store has four of the 7 lb bags in stock for $5.79 each. I've read some brands are extremely dusty. Nutrena isn't bad but it still makes me sneeze.

BillieJR
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Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby BillieJR » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:33 am

Thanks! I assume these shells keep well over the winter if I were to get some now - I mean - they don't "spoil", right?
Billie from southern Wisonsin

Spiderman
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Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby Spiderman » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:32 am

I put them in a zip lock freezer bag and store them in the freezer during the off season.

That way I have plenty on hand when the Martins are here.
2008 - 33 PAIR - FLEDGED 96 YOUNG
2009 - 51 PAIR - FLEDGED 166 YOUNG
2010 - 45 PAIR - FLEDGED 146 YOUNG
2011 - 33 PAIR - 128 HATCHED, 97 FLEDGED
2012 - 37 PAIR - 119 HATCHED, 101 FLEDGED

handyman315
Posts: 288
Joined: Thu May 12, 2016 11:03 am
Location: SW Ohio
Martin Colony History: Colony established May 20, 2017 after three unsuccessful years. Persistent and aggressive Tree Swallows plagued the site, but beyond learning - and practicing - to control them, was the return in 2017 of a 2016-SY-M previously unable to find a mate. As a handsome ASY-M, he brought along two females and a swagger that soon put the Tree Swallow issue to rest. As the anchor pair, he and his mate hatched all six of their eggs into fat and healthy babies into what settled in to be a three-pair, flourishing new colony with up to 11 birds total, including 3 SY-M trouble makers.

Re: Egg shells for Martins

Postby handyman315 » Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:05 pm

Crushed oyster shells will not spoil, and should keep without any special handling; however, as I mentioned, my Martins will only eat (chicken) egg shells, that do need special handling to avoid spoiling if kept long(er) periods. Some landlords boil them.
2018-ASY-M Arrived April 6, Despite Snow & Cold, Joined Soon by Mate & Two Adult Pairs, All Hunkered in the Cold
2017-FIRST-YEAR LANDLORD! :grin: Resident SY-M from 2016 Returned (as ASY-M) on May 20. At Least 11 Resident PMs, with 13 Fledged from Three Nests . . . (And Operated a Daily Flying Circus) :grin:
2016-Several Visits, Late-Arriving SYs, Resident Lone SY-M, Unable to Find Mate, Entered ALL Cavities
2015 & 2014-Many Visits


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