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glfriend
Posts: 81
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:55 pm
Location: Virginia

Ok as I posted last night I have ,my first ever male and female ASY staying the night. So should I continue with the dawn song. I have read past comments and see this can be a yes and no response. Just looking for any updates to this question.
deancamp
Posts: 672
Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:17 pm
Location: Raymore, MO

I say to continue playing it unless you can tell there is an adverse effect to the martins, which I believe is uncommon. Research shows that you need at least 6 pair to guarantee some of them can survive the trip to South America and back to keep your colony going next year. I agree that the martins themselves are better at attracting more martins than the dawnsong, but I also believe that by continuing to play the dawnsong you can help the 2 birds you have now increase the population at your colony. It is usually not easy to start a colony so help build the number of pairs to a point you can be assured some will return next year. It took me over 10 years for my colony to start so taking my foot of the gas when I got 2 birds was not an option. My 2 cents.
Jeff Dean
flyin-lowe
Posts: 3133
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

My opinion is once you have martins staying the dawnsong has done it’s job. The martins you have will do a better job of getting the attention of others than the player will. I am one who saw a martin have an adverse reaction to the dawnsong so I would turn mine off once I noticed visitors. As you know you’ll get mixed opinions on this.
202160 nests with 187 eggs (6-3-20) HOSP count-9
2020 Currently 42 nest, Fledged approx 164 HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
SSMartin
Posts: 314
Joined: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:05 pm
Location: FL

Keep it playing! It can’t and won’t hurt. It will draw birds in while your pair is off feeding. Your pair will also draw in new birds. Once you have a handful of birds you likely won’t need it anymore.
jhcox
Posts: 553
Joined: Thu May 26, 2016 9:23 am
Location: tennesse
Martin Colony History: Started colony in 2014. 0 pairs
2015 0 pairs
2016 0 pairs
2017 0 pairs but visitors
2018 1 pair fledged 5
2019 10 pair
2020 25 pair

My opinion will be continue to play until you get 8 or 10 birds by then they’ll do the work for you. I know everybody talks about the dawn song that the birds do early in the morning but I have never witnessed it at my colony. I’ve been out early in the mornings and never hear a peep out of mine. Mine usually do not even come out of the gourds until well after daylight. So what birds are doing the Dawn Song. The ones at an established colony or birds passing in migration? I’m not sure.
CAK
Posts: 15
Joined: Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:22 pm
Location: Dallas TX

I had one pair last year plus an extra SY male. This year I was worried when they didn’t show up...was wondering if I had lost them. They eventually started showing back up in March but were not staying the night. At the advice of others I began playing the dawn song and no doubt they stayed around later and longer during the day and seemed to enjoy the “music”. They eventually started to stay the night, one by one. I agree playing it would be good unless it appears to bother them. Good luck!!
randyM
Posts: 128
Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:30 pm
Location: Long Lake SD
Martin Colony History: 2006 - SY pair, unsuccessful nest attempt, 3 houses = 52 cavities

2010 - ASYM + SYF pair - male disappeared after storm, female fledged all 4 young.

2015 - Lone SYM stayed month of June...added 8 gourds = 60 cavities

2016 - 1 nesting pair (ASYM + SYF) 2/3 eggs hatched 2 young fledged.

2017 - 4 nesting pairs, 16/17 eggs hatched, 16 fledged, 16 banded - 2 banded SY returned in 2018 (12.5%), added housing: 11 houses w/gourds, 4 gourd poles = 376 cavities

2018 - 10 nesting pairs, 46/52 eggs hatched, 45 fledged, 29 banded - 3 banded SY returned in 2019 (10.3%)

2019 - 32 nesting pairs, 145/160 eggs hatched, 139 fledged - 87 banded - 12 banded SY returned in 2020 (13.8%).

2020 - 35 nesting pairs, 180/199 eggs hatched, 178 fledged - 150 banded.

As long as the martins at your colony seem not to be bothered by playing the CD, I'd keep playing it. Like others have said, until you have double digit numbers of martins at your colony, it's a good thing to keep playing the CD, especially when your resident pair is out feeding. Perhaps you could try playing the daytime chatter CD in the afternoon instead of the dawn song CD. I tried that when I first started my colony, and had lots of new visitors while my resident pair was away afternoons from the colony.
SSMartin
Posts: 314
Joined: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:05 pm
Location: FL

jhcox wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:33 pm
My opinion will be continue to play until you get 8 or 10 birds by then they’ll do the work for you. I know everybody talks about the dawn song that the birds do early in the morning but I have never witnessed it at my colony. I’ve been out early in the mornings and never hear a peep out of mine. Mine usually do not even come out of the gourds until well after daylight. So what birds are doing the Dawn Song. The ones at an established colony or birds passing in migration? I’m not sure.
They do it just before the first eggs are laid. This year they were so loud I literally thought someone in the nearby subdivision was blasting dawnsong at 5AM
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