Why do I not have martins

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Birds
Posts: 71
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:35 am
Location: Northeast OH
Martin Colony History: 2017: nothing, 2018: discovered the PMCA, new house modifications 2019:Still no Martins. House sparrow and starling hate forever.

Hi I was just wondering why I'm not getting martins? I haven't even seen any martins fly by my house. I have been playing the dawn song whenever I can. And I have two decoys on the house. Please help thanks
Last edited by Birds on Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
2017 :installed a Martin house hoping for Martins.
2018 :discovered the PMCA made modifications to a heath house .
2019 : Still no martins yet. House sparrow and starlings hate forever.
Tip :never give up
Birds
Posts: 71
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:35 am
Location: Northeast OH
Martin Colony History: 2017: nothing, 2018: discovered the PMCA, new house modifications 2019:Still no Martins. House sparrow and starling hate forever.

Also I live in Ohio if that helps.
2017 :installed a Martin house hoping for Martins.
2018 :discovered the PMCA made modifications to a heath house .
2019 : Still no martins yet. House sparrow and starlings hate forever.
Tip :never give up
GFB
Posts: 65
Joined: Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:05 pm
Location: Ontario NY
Martin Colony History: I Started my first colony with my father in the late 1960's. Started building custom vinyl Martin houses last year 2018 and was successful with 10 birds fledged and it looks like several dozen birds are hanging around. Time to expand.
2018: 1 T-14 and 6 gourds. Fledged 10
2019: 2 T-14's and 6 gourds. Fledged 70

If you are just starting a colony this year you most likely won't until the Sub adults, last years hatchlings arrive. For you is could be the end of May or even June. You also need a good location such as open flyways, away from trees and hedge rows were hawks could be lurking, close to human activity and a body of water nearby is a bonus. If new to Martins Your best bet is to educate yourself, a good book to read is the Stokes Purple Martin book. Best of luck!
flyin-lowe
Posts: 2920
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

Can you post a picture of your housing and your yard/property? Also are there any colonies close by? If you have colonies close by and are not getting any visitors at all then there is something they don't like (trees etc.). How long have you been trying. Even at an ideal location it is not uncommon to wait 5 years or more to establish a colony. I am in Indiana and my first colony took 5 years to start. I moved from there and it took another 5 years at my current place.
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
Laverne
Posts: 2216
Joined: Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:58 pm
Location: TX/Alvin
Martin Colony History: Erected 1st house in 1997. Birds were checking it out before Mike got down from the ladder. Six cavities had a little colony 1st year. Grown to 88 cavities all gourds with near 100% occupancy. Most important factor for success is rain = bugs.

I have been hosting Purple Martins since 1996. First year was at a duplex where I was renting. Then we bought our land in Alvin and in the spring of 1997 we erected that same house at the new site. Before Mike could get down off the ladder there were Purple Martins circling overhead and they landed on that house and moved in that day. Yeah, I know, this is Texas and all we have to do is hang a boot on a fence post and the Martins will move in. :roll: Right! Not true. Many factors come into play in the complex world of Purple Martins. Best thing that ever happened to me was finding the PMCA website. The knowledge found here is all you need. The people and their experience which they willingly share on this forum is priceless. But, we need more info from you. So, read up, get an education, and then ask some specific questions. Be happy to help you. Welcome to the wonderful world of the Purple Martin Landlord. May you soon enjoy a successful season with your own colony.
Sincerely,
Laverne
Hanover Bill
Posts: 608
Joined: Thu May 14, 2009 3:10 pm
Location: Pennsylvania/Hanover Township
Martin Colony History: 2009 & 10 - 0
2011 & 12 - Visitors
2013 - 2 pr. fledged 9
2014 - 3 pr. fledged 13
2015 - 7 pr. fledged 27
2016 - 15 pr. fledged 72

Bird:

Patience is the keyword. It took me 5 years of playing the Dawn Song continually during Martin season, before I attracted my first nesting pair. As they say, anything worth having is worth working for, and this goes double for being a Purple Martin Landlord.

So hang in there, your patience will eventually be rewarded.

Hanover Bill.
2009 & 10 - 0
2011 & 12 - Visitors
2013 - 2 pr. fledged 9
2014 - 3 pr. fledged 13
2015 - 7 pr. fledged 27
2016 - 15 pr. fledged 72
Birds
Posts: 71
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:35 am
Location: Northeast OH
Martin Colony History: 2017: nothing, 2018: discovered the PMCA, new house modifications 2019:Still no Martins. House sparrow and starling hate forever.

Thanks for the replies.This is my second year trying to attract purple martins. We live by a colony about 23 miles away the colony is near a huge lake. And the colony has about 4 T14s and about 6 gourd racks. My Martin house is 50ft from the nearest 20ft tall tree and 15 ft from some smaller decorative trees. I tried to keep it within 60ft of my house because I know that Martins like to be around people. The house is a modified heath aluminum house with a AS&K gourd hung from the porch. Also are neighbor has about half an acre of water, and a Martin house infested with house sparrows. Sorry I'm having trouble uploading a photo it will only let me upload under 500kb.
Last edited by Birds on Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:52 am, edited 3 times in total.
2017 :installed a Martin house hoping for Martins.
2018 :discovered the PMCA made modifications to a heath house .
2019 : Still no martins yet. House sparrow and starlings hate forever.
Tip :never give up
Birds
Posts: 71
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:35 am
Location: Northeast OH
Martin Colony History: 2017: nothing, 2018: discovered the PMCA, new house modifications 2019:Still no Martins. House sparrow and starling hate forever.

I have seen people upload Google map picks. But I'm not sure how to do that either?
2017 :installed a Martin house hoping for Martins.
2018 :discovered the PMCA made modifications to a heath house .
2019 : Still no martins yet. House sparrow and starlings hate forever.
Tip :never give up
flyin-lowe
Posts: 2920
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

There are a couple of different ways. Depending on what version of Windows you have you might have the "Snipping" tool. Go to your search on the bottom of your home screen and type in Snip. If you have it you can just use that to draw a rectangle around anything on your screen and it will save that as a JPEG. You can also go to "file" on google earth and under the file tab you can save the image. The trick to uploading to this site is the images have to be small. On my version of Windows I can just right click on an image and hit the edit button. it opens the picture in Microsoft Paint. One of the buttons at the top of paint is "re-size" The image needs to be sized down so both sides are 400 pixels or less. Then they can be uploaded as an attachment via the attachments button below on this screen. If the image is too large it will not upload. Everyone has different computer skills, if you still can't figure it out let us know and we can help out.
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
-=DKC=-
Posts: 356
Joined: Thu Jun 08, 2017 2:26 pm
Location: Corpus Christi, TX
Martin Colony History: ................
2019: 11 pairs
2018: 11 pairs - 43 fledged
2017: 4 pairs - 17 fledged

Don't give up. After 3 unsuccessful years I didn't intend to set up the housing for the 4th year. My wife convinced me to set it up anyway and I got 4 pairs that year. Hang in there.
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on suckin' till you do succeed." - Curly Howard
Birds
Posts: 71
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:35 am
Location: Northeast OH
Martin Colony History: 2017: nothing, 2018: discovered the PMCA, new house modifications 2019:Still no Martins. House sparrow and starling hate forever.

Thank you very much for your time. I'm doing this off a Amazon fire and it doesn't have the ability to take pictures of Google maps. But I do have a computer too I'm going to try uploading photos.
2017 :installed a Martin house hoping for Martins.
2018 :discovered the PMCA made modifications to a heath house .
2019 : Still no martins yet. House sparrow and starlings hate forever.
Tip :never give up
Birds
Posts: 71
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:35 am
Location: Northeast OH
Martin Colony History: 2017: nothing, 2018: discovered the PMCA, new house modifications 2019:Still no Martins. House sparrow and starling hate forever.

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2017 :installed a Martin house hoping for Martins.
2018 :discovered the PMCA made modifications to a heath house .
2019 : Still no martins yet. House sparrow and starlings hate forever.
Tip :never give up
Birds
Posts: 71
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:35 am
Location: Northeast OH
Martin Colony History: 2017: nothing, 2018: discovered the PMCA, new house modifications 2019:Still no Martins. House sparrow and starling hate forever.

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2017 :installed a Martin house hoping for Martins.
2018 :discovered the PMCA made modifications to a heath house .
2019 : Still no martins yet. House sparrow and starlings hate forever.
Tip :never give up
Birds
Posts: 71
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:35 am
Location: Northeast OH
Martin Colony History: 2017: nothing, 2018: discovered the PMCA, new house modifications 2019:Still no Martins. House sparrow and starling hate forever.

Here is some pictures your advice worked out. :)
Last edited by Birds on Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
2017 :installed a Martin house hoping for Martins.
2018 :discovered the PMCA made modifications to a heath house .
2019 : Still no martins yet. House sparrow and starlings hate forever.
Tip :never give up
sugarcreek
Posts: 216
Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:43 am
Location: Sugarcreek, Ohio
Martin Colony History: 2016 First Yr.

Those pine trees look pretty close.

Please Don't give up yet as SY subbies are just starting to migrate to and through the Midwest.

One interesting book you should consider reading is "A Purple Martin Journey" Its a book written by Andrew Troyer of Troyer's Bird paradise...So much common sense in it that most folks don't comprehend or follow it.
2016 - 1st Yr. 14 Compartments 4 Active Nests 9 fledged, 2.25 Fledged per Active Nest
2017 - 2nd Yr. 36 Compartments 18 Active Nests 65 Fledged, 3.61 Fledged per Active Nest
2018 - 3rd Yr. 54 Compartments 43 Active Nests 169 Fledged, 3.93 Fledged per Active Nest
2019 - 4th Yr. 108 Compartments 67 Active Nests 209 Fledged, 3.12 Fledged per Active Nest
2020 - 5th Yr. 108 Compartments ?
Birds
Posts: 71
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:35 am
Location: Northeast OH
Martin Colony History: 2017: nothing, 2018: discovered the PMCA, new house modifications 2019:Still no Martins. House sparrow and starling hate forever.

Ok I will look into getting it.
2017 :installed a Martin house hoping for Martins.
2018 :discovered the PMCA made modifications to a heath house .
2019 : Still no martins yet. House sparrow and starlings hate forever.
Tip :never give up
sugarcreek
Posts: 216
Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:43 am
Location: Sugarcreek, Ohio
Martin Colony History: 2016 First Yr.

One other thig "Birds" if you are ever in the Sugarcreek Ohio area please contact me would love to have you stop at our house.
2016 - 1st Yr. 14 Compartments 4 Active Nests 9 fledged, 2.25 Fledged per Active Nest
2017 - 2nd Yr. 36 Compartments 18 Active Nests 65 Fledged, 3.61 Fledged per Active Nest
2018 - 3rd Yr. 54 Compartments 43 Active Nests 169 Fledged, 3.93 Fledged per Active Nest
2019 - 4th Yr. 108 Compartments 67 Active Nests 209 Fledged, 3.12 Fledged per Active Nest
2020 - 5th Yr. 108 Compartments ?
deancamp
Posts: 412
Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:17 pm
Location: Raymore, MO

If you can play the dawn song all day then do so. I would think with the dawn song playing if there are any Martins in the area would at least come in to check it out.
Birds
Posts: 71
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:35 am
Location: Northeast OH
Martin Colony History: 2017: nothing, 2018: discovered the PMCA, new house modifications 2019:Still no Martins. House sparrow and starling hate forever.

I tried to play the dawn song all day but the battery on my speaker only lasts about 2hours. I use a youtube video to play the dawn song. The video is called purple Martins morning vocalizations.
2017 :installed a Martin house hoping for Martins.
2018 :discovered the PMCA made modifications to a heath house .
2019 : Still no martins yet. House sparrow and starlings hate forever.
Tip :never give up
Birds
Posts: 71
Joined: Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:35 am
Location: Northeast OH
Martin Colony History: 2017: nothing, 2018: discovered the PMCA, new house modifications 2019:Still no Martins. House sparrow and starling hate forever.

"Sugarcreek" I live way up north of sugarcreek, but thanks for the offer. I'm located near lake Erie.
2017 :installed a Martin house hoping for Martins.
2018 :discovered the PMCA made modifications to a heath house .
2019 : Still no martins yet. House sparrow and starlings hate forever.
Tip :never give up
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