MARTIN POLE IDEAS

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lmgalion
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Location: ohio

I built a wooden T14style house and currently have it on a round pole but with the winds I am not sure of its durability. Can someone give me ideas or suggestions on what kind and where to get a better pole for my house? Thank you
ToyinPA
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Martin Colony History: The 1972 St. Agnes flood wiped out all the Martins in my area. One day, in 1997-98, 5 or 6 Martins landed on the power wires crossing my back yard. I had no house for them. They kept coming back day after day. We got a martin house a few weeks later & they have been coming back every year since. I average 12-15 pair per year.

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flyin-lowe
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The commercially made T14 poles are nice, I put one up for a friend after building a T14 for him last year. One thing about them is your T14 has to have some rails built onto the back of it. Depending on how your T14 is mounted currently you may have to make some modifications to the house. Both of my T14's are on 3 1/2 inch round steel poles. The most recent one I got from a local scrap yard. I then built a wood carrier that goes around the pole and the house sections mount to the carrier. if you are thinking about fabricating something instead of buying an aluminum pole I can post some pictures of my set up.
2021 Currently 62 nest 138 babies plus 110 eggs (6-317-21) HOSP count-9
2020 42 nest, Fledged 164 HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
Ed Pace
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Location: NY/Jamestown

I may have a chance to install 4 T-14’s for in a public site, my question is has anyone ever mounted them on a 5 “ square steel pole? I have built and installed in the past several T-14’s but not in quite a while and not too as big of a pole as 5 inches I have mounted some of mine on a 4 inch round steel pole that I’ve been up for years. These polls that I am speaking of are already installed and have lights at the top of them my idea was to add the T-14 ‘s below the lights. Flying -Lowe you mentioned you might have some instructions that you could show . years ago I used Chuck Abers instructions which were pretty good but I can’t find them and can’t seem to find them even online any more.
Ed.
flyin-lowe
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I am not at my computer right now so I don't have many pics. I found an old link that shows a couple pics of the first carrier I built to go around my round pole. Same type of carrier could be built for a square pole. You can see the "T" nuts in the carrier, each section of the house has 4 holes drilled in the back and mounts to the carrier.. I used treated 2x6's and it is around 15 years old and still holding up great.

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2021 Currently 62 nest 138 babies plus 110 eggs (6-317-21) HOSP count-9
2020 42 nest, Fledged 164 HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
Ed Pace
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Thanks flyin-lowe for getting back to me on Easter Sunday, what you have showed me jars my memory and that’s pretty much the way I did most of mine ,I was just a little worried because that pole was that big , but I think it will work fine I’ll let you know later on what happens thanks again . Happy Easter.
Incidentally I got my first bird back on the 31st he’s eating meal worms from the tray well and I’ve been using handwarmers for a couple of days.He is the same Bird that came back last year on 30 March, he is anxiously waiting for more arrivals.
flyin-lowe
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It will be close if the pipe is exactly 5 inches square. If I recall right (it's been a year since I built a T14) the outside width of the box is exactly 8 inches. A 2x is actually 1 1/2 inches wide so the pipe and 2 sections of 2x would be exactly 8 inches as well. Should be able to make it happen.
2021 Currently 62 nest 138 babies plus 110 eggs (6-317-21) HOSP count-9
2020 42 nest, Fledged 164 HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
Ed Pace
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Yes these pipes are a full 5 in.very heavy walled I don’t know exactly how heavy yet. I wonder if it would be any advantage in going to a 2 x 8 or ripping it even to a 2 x 7. The main things are they have to be very safe because there will be a large amount of people around them.
Ed
lmgalion
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Location: ohio

flyin-lowe wrote:
Sat Apr 03, 2021 10:10 pm
The commercially made T14 poles are nice, I put one up for a friend after building a T14 for him last year. One thing about them is your T14 has to have some rails built onto the back of it. Depending on how your T14 is mounted currently you may have to make some modifications to the house. Both of my T14's are on 3 1/2 inch round steel poles. The most recent one I got from a local scrap yard. I then built a wood carrier that goes around the pole and the house sections mount to the carrier. if you are thinking about fabricating something instead of buying an aluminum pole I can post some pictures of my set up.
Yes I would like to see some pictures of your set up
Ed Pace
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My original Poles go back to the early 70s they were 4 inch round heavy pipe of course there was no T 14‘s then but I mounted the T 14 s on the same poles and they are holding up very well still.The outside of the width measure 9 inches on mine I used planned rough-cut so that the inside is about 7 1/4 inch I could go to that new plastic wood which would make everything lighter and I could go a little narrower but I think maybe to have the thickness between the hole and the pole I would have to go to 10 inches and if I did that there would be a gap between the houses and of course you can’t have that. I am just not sure what the thickness should be for maximum safety. I guess I shouldn’t say much more on this site until we get final approval I have two other accomplished Martin guys involved. I think this will really turn out to be nice if it happens, we will definitely send pictures. Ed.
flyin-lowe
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Here are a few pictures. You can see the box/carrier I made. It goes around the pole and has holes in it for the cable to run through and then up and over the pulley and back down through the other side. The picture of the top of the pole just shows how I slotted the pole and recessed the pulley (garage door pulley). The picture looking down into the box shows the "T" nuts. The bolts go through the back of the house and thread into the "T" nuts. You can also see the metal box that was welded together to mount the winch to the pole.
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2021 Currently 62 nest 138 babies plus 110 eggs (6-317-21) HOSP count-9
2020 42 nest, Fledged 164 HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional lone SY's
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair 14 fledged.
asop
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Location: Delavan

I built a cantilevered pole with 2 pieces of 3" alum. channel welded leg to leg to form a 3" sq. pole. For the mounting base I used the same 3" alum. channel 7' in length with 3' imbedded in conc. and 4' above grade. With legs out had them welded with 2 strap type of alum. pieces maybe 2"X5" on one side and left the other side open to accept the 3"X3" pole. Gapped the channel (face to face) to 3"+ and left one side open so the pole then fits into the configuration. Placed a bottom bolt thru uprights that acts as the "pivot" point and another up towards to top which locks the pole in place when raised. Welded a plate on top for mounting the house. Works pretty well.
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