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white-out
Posts: 73
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:21 am
Location: ohio

Hello everyone,

My barn is approximately 10 to 25 feet from 3 Martin house poles. I'm in and out a lot during spring and summer and was wondering if this would be a problem in getting martins to stay?

Also I'm in Northern Ohio, 10 miles from Lake Erie, and not sure when to open the houses and how many openings(sparrows and starlings are a problem)? I have 2 t-14's and an eight gourd rack.
thanks, Doug
Whippy
Posts: 598
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:15 pm
Location: Plano, Texas
Martin Colony History: 2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - 15 pair, 67 fledged

White-O,

Martins like having people around. You going in and out of the barn will give them a bit of comfort.

My rack is in the middle of my back yard. I'm out there every day messing around. My son comes outside to hang out and we throw the tennis balls for the dogs and so on. The martins will sit on their porches and perches and watch.

Don't worry about it. Rather, embrace it.

Coolwhips
SSMartin
Posts: 124
Joined: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:05 pm
Location: FL

I originally had my gourds out in the middle of my cow pasture. I managed to house a pair of martins two years in a row. Third year I moved it 30 feet off my driveway by the garage and housed 8 pair that year. I was amazed that all the activity seemed to actually make the housing more interesting to them. So no need to worry about your placement.

Check the scout report and open a few cavities as soon as martins are in your area and play the dawn song or daytime chatter all day if you can.

I always play the dawn song 24/7 until I get at least two pairs (only if establishing a new colony). It has always worked for me and never bothered the birds.
white-out
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Location: ohio

Thanks, last year I had 3 flying around and checking things out. I was sitting in the barn and found a dawn song recording on YouTube I think. I didn't think any martins were around and started playing it through my phone. A Martin flew from a gourd and never saw another go in any cavity after that. It was late in the year but felt like I had scared it away.
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Archer
Posts: 757
Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2011 1:09 pm
Location: Manitoba/Altona
Martin Colony History: six pair in 2014, have grown to 52 pairs in 2017.

So you have 3 martin houses and no martins. lol, sounds a lot like me. I had 3 houses too before I got martins. Its good the give them options.The nearness of your barn should not matter as long as you have some clear flight paths for them. Why not open a house and get good at eliminating sparrows and starlings. Adding starling resistant entrance holes to your housing will eliminate or greatly reduce your starling problems. Trapping or shooting sparrows is a way of life for Martin Landlords.
2011- first year trying, a few visitors.
2012-One ASY pair, raised two young, lots of subby visitors. So thankfull.
2013-daily subby visits.
2014-Six SY pairs
2015-18 pair, 83 fledglings
2016-36 pair, 147 fledglings
2017-52 pairs, 192 fledglings.
2018-60 pair, 246 fledglings.
2019-59 pair, 238 fledglings.
white-out
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Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:21 am
Location: ohio

Lol, had some cedar and the T-14 looked like a fun project.....yeah, I'm a martin poser from the road. I spent many an hour waiting and watching these 3 and now I'm hooked. I do have the starling resistant entrance holes on all openings but some starlings didn't get the memo. I bought some 22 LR #12 shot for them but not sure if it will penetrate the Troyer gourds if I was to take a crack at them on the porch.
Whippy
Posts: 598
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:15 pm
Location: Plano, Texas
Martin Colony History: 2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - 15 pair, 67 fledged

white-out wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:38 pm
I bought some 22 LR #12 shot for them but not sure if it will penetrate the Troyer gourds if I was to take a crack at them on the porch.
We are all about ventilating your housing in the summer months but I think this will take it a little too far. :lol:

Wait for a clear shot with the .22 so as to not hit the gourds.

Try to get one on the fly with the shotgun.

Coolwhips
white-out
Posts: 73
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Location: ohio

The 22 LR #12 shot is like a shotgun shell for 22's. They aren't that powerful but like you say, I don't want to add ventilation. I don't think it would penetrate a plastic gourd but.......
Whippy
Posts: 598
Joined: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:15 pm
Location: Plano, Texas
Martin Colony History: 2016 - late to put up, many visitors
2017 - 1 pair, 3 fledged
2018- 2 pair, 12 fledged
2019 - 4 pair, 21 fledged
2020 - 15 pair, 67 fledged

white-out wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:31 pm
The 22 LR #12 shot is like a shotgun shell for 22's. They aren't that powerful but like you say, I don't want to add ventilation. I don't think it would penetrate a plastic gourd but.......
My bad. I read it as two different loads. .22 cal and #12 shot. Sorry. I obviously was thinking shot gun.

Not sure how the #12 out of a .22 caliber would penetrate the plastic. Guess you could shoot a 2 liter bottle and see how that goes although it's much thinner.. Saying this without knowing your surroundings but CB shorts out of the .22 are fun to shoot.

Coolwhips
flyin-lowe
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Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

I've shot a gourd with the .22 bird shot rounds. They penetrated the surface but didn't go the way through. The only issue I had with that ammo was you had to be very close to the sparrow for it to be effective, like within a few feet. I am not sure what brand you have but it might be worth your time to get a paper plate or something and shoot it a few times and 10-20 feet to see how the pellets pattern at that distance. The stuff I have would not kill a sparrow at 20 feet.
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
white-out
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Location: ohio

flyin-lowe, I've shot it into my pond and it has more shot in a round than one would think. But as you said, I don't think it's very powerful outside 20 feet but I'm afraid to let the wife shoot me for proof..lol. They're not cheap but I've missed so many times at this mirage sparrow couple last year with a reg 22 LR..errr. I used to be a pretty good shot but lost favor in killing most things long ago, most things

I can't see the houses from my house that makes it a pain to stay on them. Ill report back if it helped my removal....thanks
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