SY or ASY

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deancamp
Posts: 489
Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:17 pm
Location: Raymore, MO

Again this is a very small sample size, so I'm trying not to read to much into it, but the ASY responses are overwhelming in comparison. Some have had a SY stay for a year and unable to attract a mate until it had the adult plumage the next year. It could be as someone suggested that it is very difficult for a SY male to compete for females with an existing colony nearby or they simply go to the nearby colony that is not at capacity to set up housekeeping themselves. It appears it is definitely worth a new landlords efforts to get their housing up as the first scouts start arriving in their area.
Dave Reynolds
Posts: 1921
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

... I’m not to sure... An ASY male brought a SY female to our site and then after a few days he left and allow an SY male to take over the female and they built a nest, had young that fledge.. The ASY Male would come around and check in on the new SY pair, but never spent the night... So I have to say SY started my colony in early May..
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

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deancamp
Posts: 489
Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:17 pm
Location: Raymore, MO

Dave, that's crazy talk. That ASY must have had more ladies than he could handle and turned one over to his wing man. What a good friend. :)
Dave Reynolds
Posts: 1921
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

.... deancamp ... I hear what your saying... He was a great ASY male.. The funny thing was watching him come back around every two weeks and check and see how the kids were doing.. He even came back every day the week the young were getting ready to fledge... He must have had a girl some where else in another colony close by.. :) :grin: :) :grin: :grin: :grin:

Dave
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

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Geno
Posts: 14
Joined: Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:06 am
Location: Tuscaloosa

That's a good wing man right there - lol.
Brad Biddle
Posts: 523
Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:22 pm
Location: Marshall County AL

Sounds to me like Dave’s ASY male got killed by a hawk or just died some other way. Doesn’t sound logical to JD that an ASY male would leave a mate
Martin landlord since 2003. Currently offering 162 plastic gourds with tunnels, all with Conley II entrances with the Lewis modification. I have 24 Supergourds and the rest are Troyer Horizontals.
Geno
Posts: 14
Joined: Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:06 am
Location: Tuscaloosa

He might have had more than one mate? I don't know enough about them to say. Some of us are pretty enough to have multiples (well....were - lol). He came back and checked on the other to make sure all was well. Maybe he tried to talk his girl into that site and she wouldn't go for it? Just throwing out possible ideas here. I am still highly contagious so I'm headed to the store to get a bluetooth speaker. I tried putting the laptop outside and it's not loud enough for my taste.
Brad Biddle
Posts: 523
Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:22 pm
Location: Marshall County AL

If he had stayed at the site with another mate, then I'd agree with that, but I don't think he would have site "hopped" between mates. I could be wrong though.
Martin landlord since 2003. Currently offering 162 plastic gourds with tunnels, all with Conley II entrances with the Lewis modification. I have 24 Supergourds and the rest are Troyer Horizontals.
PMDavid
Posts: 510
Joined: Wed May 16, 2018 8:50 pm
Location: Boyce,Louisiana
Martin Colony History: 2018 1 lone nut and lots of visitors
2019 6 pair -21fledged
2020 18 pair -60 fledged
2021......to be seen.
24 natural gourds on a satellite rack,9 other gourds scattered around
2-12 compartment trio houses
Rarely see a sparrow or starling,but when I do they don’t last long!
Will have a second satellite rack for the 2022 season and phase out the houses,the martins here strongly prefer natural gourds.

Man ho.....hens everywhere?
Black Jack
Posts: 85
Joined: Mon May 06, 2019 4:37 pm
Location: NC

SY
kim w.
Posts: 89
Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 6:43 pm
Location: IN/Goshen

As a wannabe I have always tried as soon as ASY were in my area. This will be year 7 trying. With this info its more encouraging.
Kim W.
cabin man
Posts: 82
Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:55 am
Location: New Jersey / Tinton Falls
Martin Colony History: Got my first SY pair in 2017. Fledged 1, but died due to wing entrapment. 2018- changed all entrances and got one ASY pair. Fledged 3

SY
Bird Brain
Posts: 169
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:22 am
Location: Highland Village, TX
Martin Colony History: 2017-nothing
2018-1 visitor
2019-nothing
2020-the most visitors/activity by far after making many site improvements. Unsuccessful SY Male visited for 2 weeks.

I was originally shocked at how many on this thread were able to buck conventional wisdom and start their colony with an ASY. I now realize there may be a logical explanation. The average site on this forum is far superior to their neighbors sites. I drove around yesterday and looked at some sites near me. It made me sick to see all the martin slums around me. Everywhere I looked I saw housing that was substandard. I saw cheap, plastic housing, 6x6 rooms, flimsy poles leaning, doors falling off, round entrance holes, stuffed with sparrow nests, vines growing up the pole, tree limbs only inches away. I doubt they shoot their starlings or house sparrows, or thwart their rat snakes and racoons. I'm sure they don't kill mites or control blow fly larva either. My site looks like the Taj Mahal compared to my neighbors. I think most sites on this forum can say the same. So it's really no surprise how many on this site were able to lure ASY's away from neighbors.
Why do Americans only flee blue states? Why don't Americans flee red states?
detioh11
Posts: 52
Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:24 pm
Location: St Johns, MI
Martin Colony History: 2015 A few Visitors
2016 1 ASY pair 4 eggs 4 Fledged
2017 ASY male returned chased off by starlings
2018 1 pair fledged 5
2019 3 Pair with nestlings and an ASY male bachelor and 2 SY males around all the time fledged 16

I feel It comes down to one thing. If you are willing to put in the effort to keep sparrows and starlings out of the housing then by all means open it up when the earliest birds return. If you don’t have time to keep the other birds out then you should wait for the SY birds. Many sparrows have found a place to nest by then. That is my two cents 😂. My first pair was an ASY but they showed up later around the time the SY birds show up.
Spiderman
Posts: 796
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:19 am
Location: Gladewater, Texas

I think the ASY's start most colonies. If you watch over time people move or get too old to maintain Martin houses. Some of these individuals have large colonies that must go somewhere else.
2008 - 33 PAIR - FLEDGED 96 YOUNG
2009 - 51 PAIR - FLEDGED 166 YOUNG
2010 - 45 PAIR - FLEDGED 146 YOUNG
2011 - 33 PAIR - 128 HATCHED, 97 FLEDGED
2012 - 37 PAIR - 119 HATCHED, 101 FLEDGED
Ed Pace
Posts: 669
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:31 pm
Location: NY/Jamestown

In two different occasion
many years apart both first nests were started by ASY‘s
Ed
TheSmiths
Posts: 329
Joined: Mon May 12, 2014 1:02 pm
Location: Western KY
Martin Colony History:

Tried to attract PMs since 2004; began more ernest attempt in 2014.

Current housing consists of two modified Trio M12Ks and a round gourd rack.

2018 — 3 pairs

2019 — 6 pairs

2020 — 12 pairs; barred owl late in season


Monitor FILs colony as well as colony at park.

~15 years of providing housing for bluebirds, Carolina wrens, house wrens, Carolina chickadees, tufted titmice, great-crested flycatchers and northern flickers.

ASY
Rafke77
Posts: 33
Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:47 pm
Location: Plymouth, IN
Martin Colony History: 2020 first arrived 3/27. 21 pair, 92 fledged, 9 non viable.

2019 first time with Martin's, first arrived 4/24 10 pair, 24 fledged, 15 eggs non-viable.

ASY
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