SY or ASY

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deancamp
Posts: 412
Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:17 pm
Location: Raymore, MO

Again this is a very small sample size, so I'm trying not to read to much into it, but the ASY responses are overwhelming in comparison. Some have had a SY stay for a year and unable to attract a mate until it had the adult plumage the next year. It could be as someone suggested that it is very difficult for a SY male to compete for females with an existing colony nearby or they simply go to the nearby colony that is not at capacity to set up housekeeping themselves. It appears it is definitely worth a new landlords efforts to get their housing up as the first scouts start arriving in their area.
Dave Reynolds
Posts: 1881
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

... I’m not to sure... An ASY male brought a SY female to our site and then after a few days he left and allow an SY male to take over the female and they built a nest, had young that fledge.. The ASY Male would come around and check in on the new SY pair, but never spent the night... So I have to say SY started my colony in early May..
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:

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deancamp
Posts: 412
Joined: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:17 pm
Location: Raymore, MO

Dave, that's crazy talk. That ASY must have had more ladies than he could handle and turned one over to his wing man. What a good friend. :)
Dave Reynolds
Posts: 1881
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

.... deancamp ... I hear what your saying... He was a great ASY male.. The funny thing was watching him come back around every two weeks and check and see how the kids were doing.. He even came back every day the week the young were getting ready to fledge... He must have had a girl some where else in another colony close by.. :) :grin: :) :grin: :grin: :grin:

Dave
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:

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Geno
Posts: 14
Joined: Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:06 am
Location: Tuscaloosa

That's a good wing man right there - lol.
Brad Biddle
Posts: 523
Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:22 pm
Location: Marshall County AL

Sounds to me like Dave’s ASY male got killed by a hawk or just died some other way. Doesn’t sound logical to JD that an ASY male would leave a mate
Martin landlord since 2003. Currently offering 132 plastic gourds with tunnels and all SREH.
Geno
Posts: 14
Joined: Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:06 am
Location: Tuscaloosa

He might have had more than one mate? I don't know enough about them to say. Some of us are pretty enough to have multiples (well....were - lol). He came back and checked on the other to make sure all was well. Maybe he tried to talk his girl into that site and she wouldn't go for it? Just throwing out possible ideas here. I am still highly contagious so I'm headed to the store to get a bluetooth speaker. I tried putting the laptop outside and it's not loud enough for my taste.
Brad Biddle
Posts: 523
Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:22 pm
Location: Marshall County AL

If he had stayed at the site with another mate, then I'd agree with that, but I don't think he would have site "hopped" between mates. I could be wrong though.
Martin landlord since 2003. Currently offering 132 plastic gourds with tunnels and all SREH.
PMDavid
Posts: 408
Joined: Wed May 16, 2018 8:50 pm
Location: Boyce,Louisiana
Martin Colony History: Second year trying to attract martins. This year I am getting rid of the wooden house and showing something they are used to seeing.
Offering 2 trio grandpaws w/2natural gourds under each and C.Abare gourd rack w/16 natural gourds. And one rehabbed 16 compartment Coates original with two natural gourds.Lots of lookers,a few overnighters and daily activity cruising and looking. All gourds have a rain canopy and wire perch.2019 7 pair moving into 2020 almost double pairs from 2019. Still have most of the month of March to go for new arrivals and April.Here late in season seemed to have as many as 18 Pr of nesting birds. Huge upscale in birds from 2019. Will also have a 20 gourd satellite rack prepared for the 2021 season.

Man ho.....hens everywhere?
Black Jack
Posts: 81
Joined: Mon May 06, 2019 4:37 pm
Location: NC

SY
kim w.
Posts: 89
Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 6:43 pm
Location: IN/Goshen

As a wannabe I have always tried as soon as ASY were in my area. This will be year 7 trying. With this info its more encouraging.
Kim W.
cabin man
Posts: 82
Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:55 am
Location: New Jersey / Tinton Falls
Martin Colony History: Got my first SY pair in 2017. Fledged 1, but died due to wing entrapment. 2018- changed all entrances and got one ASY pair. Fledged 3

SY
Bird Brain
Posts: 150
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:22 am
Location: Highland Village, TX
Martin Colony History: 2017-nothing
2018-1 visitor
2019-nothing
2020-the most visitors/activity by far after making many site improvements. Unsuccessful SY Male visited for 2 weeks.

I was originally shocked at how many on this thread were able to buck conventional wisdom and start their colony with an ASY. I now realize there may be a logical explanation. The average site on this forum is far superior to their neighbors sites. I drove around yesterday and looked at some sites near me. It made me sick to see all the martin slums around me. Everywhere I looked I saw housing that was substandard. I saw cheap, plastic housing, 6x6 rooms, flimsy poles leaning, doors falling off, round entrance holes, stuffed with sparrow nests, vines growing up the pole, tree limbs only inches away. I doubt they shoot their starlings or house sparrows, or thwart their rat snakes and racoons. I'm sure they don't kill mites or control blow fly larva either. My site looks like the Taj Mahal compared to my neighbors. I think most sites on this forum can say the same. So it's really no surprise how many on this site were able to lure ASY's away from neighbors.
Every time I kill a house sparrow, I make the world a better place.
detioh11
Posts: 51
Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:24 pm
Location: St Johns, MI
Martin Colony History: 2015 A few Visitors
2016 1 ASY pair 4 eggs 4 Fledged
2017 ASY male returned chased off by starlings
2018 1 pair fledged 5
2019 3 Pair with nestlings and an ASY male bachelor and 2 SY males around all the time fledged 16

I feel It comes down to one thing. If you are willing to put in the effort to keep sparrows and starlings out of the housing then by all means open it up when the earliest birds return. If you don’t have time to keep the other birds out then you should wait for the SY birds. Many sparrows have found a place to nest by then. That is my two cents 😂. My first pair was an ASY but they showed up later around the time the SY birds show up.
Spiderman
Posts: 778
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:19 am
Location: Gladewater, Texas

I think the ASY's start most colonies. If you watch over time people move or get too old to maintain Martin houses. Some of these individuals have large colonies that must go somewhere else.
2008 - 33 PAIR - FLEDGED 96 YOUNG
2009 - 51 PAIR - FLEDGED 166 YOUNG
2010 - 45 PAIR - FLEDGED 146 YOUNG
2011 - 33 PAIR - 128 HATCHED, 97 FLEDGED
2012 - 37 PAIR - 119 HATCHED, 101 FLEDGED
Ed Pace
Posts: 668
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:31 pm
Location: NY/Jamestown

In two different occasion
many years apart both first nests were started by ASY‘s
Ed
TheSmiths
Posts: 319
Joined: Mon May 12, 2014 1:02 pm
Location: Western KY
Martin Colony History:

Tried to attract PMs since 2004; began a more ernest attempt in 2014.

2018 — 3 pairs: 1 ASY pair & 1 SY pair in the Trio; 1 SY pair in a supergourd on the gourd multi-rack.

2019 — 6 pairs

2020 — In progress

Current housing consists of two modified Trio M12Ks at 20' and a round gourd rack at 20'.

We've also provided housing for bluebirds, Carolina wrens, house wrens, Carolina chickadees, tufted titmice, great-crested flycatchers and northern flickers for ~15 years.

ASY
Rafke77
Posts: 29
Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:47 pm
Location: Plymouth, IN
Martin Colony History: Year 1: 10 pair, 24 fledged, 15 eggs non-viable

ASY
2019 first time with Martin's, first arrived 4/24 10 pair, 24 fledged, 15 eggs non-viable
2020 first arrived 3/27
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