Young will not fledge

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jhcox
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Location: tennesse
Martin Colony History: Started colony in 2014. First pair to stay and raise young in 2018.

Young will not fledge

Postby jhcox » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:03 am

I have a couple young birds that will not fledge and the parents are no longer coming around. This gourd had 6 guy to begin with one died 3 fledged and these 2 just won’t even try. What to do?? On another note it appears that there is a small roost starting to develop on the tower and power lines beside my house. Last count was between 130 to 140 birds. Way more than I had this year I guess their just local birds getting together before they migrate south. Nice to watch though. JHCox Heiskell Tennessee

ToyinPA
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Location: PA/Avis
Martin Colony History: The 1972 St. Agnes flood wiped out all the Martins in my area. One day, in 1997-98, 5 or 6 Martins landed on the power wires crossing my back yard. I had no house for them. They kept coming back day after day. We got a martin house a few weeks later & they have been coming back every year since. I average 12-15 pair per year.

Re: Young will not fledge

Postby ToyinPA » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:35 am

If possible try to hand feed them 2-3 times a day. Usually 8-10 crickets or meal worms each time. Keep them in the nest. They may need a boost so they can fledge.

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C.C.Martins
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Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- didnt know anything about martins, put up an all wrong house in 2016 and had two come by and inspect all the cavities. Left soon after not to return. Learned what i could on PMCA, made adjustments and next year was sucessful.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged.
2018-18 pair. 85 fledged.
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020:?
Home colony: 17 natural gourds, one 6 compartment house. All SREH.
Satelite colony Oso bay preserve: 12 gourds: excluder, troyer horizontal, super gourds with tunnels. 6 room trio mino castle with enlarged compartments.
2019: Visitors
2020: ?
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Re: Young will not fledge

Postby C.C.Martins » Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:06 am

Yep try to feed them when the parents are out guarantee parents know they are there. Do what u can. Had the same thing last year, fed 4 chicks for days...subbie lost his mate. Three made it found last one dead in the gourd, male kept coming around checking on it. I didnt know it had died still feel bad about that one wish id have done more.
Tom

2016- two visitors
2017- 5 pair 15 Fledged
2018-18 pairs 85 Fledged
2019-17 pair 81 fledged
2020:

Satellite location: oso bay preserve 12 gourds, modified trio
2019: Visitors
2020: hopeful!!!

jhcox
Posts: 389
Joined: Thu May 26, 2016 9:23 am
Location: tennesse
Martin Colony History: Started colony in 2014. First pair to stay and raise young in 2018.

Re: Young will not fledge

Postby jhcox » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:08 pm

How do you feed the by hand or with tweezers. And what if the refuse to open there mouth.

C.C.Martins
Posts: 751
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- didnt know anything about martins, put up an all wrong house in 2016 and had two come by and inspect all the cavities. Left soon after not to return. Learned what i could on PMCA, made adjustments and next year was sucessful.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged.
2018-18 pair. 85 fledged.
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020:?
Home colony: 17 natural gourds, one 6 compartment house. All SREH.
Satelite colony Oso bay preserve: 12 gourds: excluder, troyer horizontal, super gourds with tunnels. 6 room trio mino castle with enlarged compartments.
2019: Visitors
2020: ?
PMCA member

Re: Young will not fledge

Postby C.C.Martins » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:21 pm

I hold the chick, towell is your choise...expect poop...may have to gently pry open their mouth with a fingernail from the side, dip the cricket in water or gator aid and put the cricket straight in. It will clamp down on it, sometimes rejecting it. They dont like to cooperate at first, Just do it again, dont put it in too far, eventually they get the idea and accept till they are full. Surprising how many they eat.
They catch on quick.

Note: if the crickets are alive kill them especially meal worms they can bite the chick.
Tom

2016- two visitors
2017- 5 pair 15 Fledged
2018-18 pairs 85 Fledged
2019-17 pair 81 fledged
2020:

Satellite location: oso bay preserve 12 gourds, modified trio
2019: Visitors
2020: hopeful!!!

Spiderman
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Re: Young will not fledge

Postby Spiderman » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:40 pm

I hold the chick, towell is your choise...expect poop...may have to gently pry open their mouth with a fingernail from the side, dip the cricket in water or gator aid and put the cricket straight in. It will clamp down on it, sometimes rejecting it. They dont like to cooperate at first, Just do it again, dont put it in too far, eventually they get the idea and accept till they are full. Surprising how many they eat.
They catch on quick.

Note: if the crickets are alive kill them especially meal worms they can bite the chick.
Exactly what I do. If the out buy live crickets from a bait shop, just put them in a zip lock bag in the freezer for 15 minutes. The babies can eat them then. I store some crickets in the freezer all the time for problem Fledglings. Add some air to the bag and have the crickets spread out so they won't freeze in clumps.
2008 - 33 PAIR - FLEDGED 96 YOUNG
2009 - 51 PAIR - FLEDGED 166 YOUNG
2010 - 45 PAIR - FLEDGED 146 YOUNG
2011 - 33 PAIR - 128 HATCHED, 97 FLEDGED
2012 - 37 PAIR - 119 HATCHED, 101 FLEDGED

jhcox
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Martin Colony History: Started colony in 2014. First pair to stay and raise young in 2018.

Re: Young will not fledge

Postby jhcox » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:05 pm

Thank you guys I have a bait store a couple miles from the house. I’ll give it a try

Archer
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Re: Young will not fledge

Postby Archer » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:32 am

Healthy martin chicks will actually weigh more than their parents prior to fledging. They need to lose weight before they fledge. Parents will stop feeding for this reason. You could weigh the chicks to see where they are at. Normal weight of parents is 50-60 grams.
2011- first year trying, a few visitors.
2012-One ASY pair, raised two young, lots of subby visitors. So thankfull.
2013-daily subby visits.
2014-Six SY pairs
2015-18 pair, 83 fledglings
2016-36 pair, 147 fledglings
2017-52 pairs, 192 fledglings.
2018-60 pair, 246 fledglings.
2019-59 pair, 238 fledglings.

jhcox
Posts: 389
Joined: Thu May 26, 2016 9:23 am
Location: tennesse
Martin Colony History: Started colony in 2014. First pair to stay and raise young in 2018.

Re: Young will not fledge

Postby jhcox » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:04 am

Sorry to say while I was working my 24 hour shift at the firehall. I came home this morning and found 2 of the young birds dead in hopeful that the 3rd one fledged. I still have a few birds here on the power lines this morning hopefully it’s up there with the rest of the birds.

ToyinPA
Posts: 2064
Joined: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:07 pm
Location: PA/Avis
Martin Colony History: The 1972 St. Agnes flood wiped out all the Martins in my area. One day, in 1997-98, 5 or 6 Martins landed on the power wires crossing my back yard. I had no house for them. They kept coming back day after day. We got a martin house a few weeks later & they have been coming back every year since. I average 12-15 pair per year.

Re: Young will not fledge

Postby ToyinPA » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:42 am

Sorry to say while I was working my 24 hour shift at the firehall. I came home this morning and found 2 of the young birds dead in hopeful that the 3rd one fledged. I still have a few birds here on the power lines this morning hopefully it’s up there with the rest of the birds.
Sorry for your loss. Parents stop feeding because they want them to fledge, but in this heat they dehydrate quickly.

I had two chicks try to fledge last night at 8:00PM. They ended up in our chain link fence. One took off barely reaching 3 feet off the ground. I lost sight of him as he went around a neighbor's house. We looked for him, but couldn't find him. The parents weren't here & they searched for him too, but no luck. I saw the other chick on the balcony this morning. I think he may have fledged. He tried before & ended up in a yard 2 houses up, 2 days after he fledged the first time. He was very thin, so I was feeding him. His parents abandoned him. I have so few this year it hurts to lose any.

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