Scared away a female???

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detioh11
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Location: St Johns, MI
Martin Colony History: 2015 A few Visitors
2016 1 ASY pair 4 eggs 4 Fledged
2017 ASY male returned chased off by starlings
2018 3 Pair with nestlings and an ASY male bachelor and 2 SY males around all the time

Scared away a female???

Postby detioh11 » Wed May 15, 2019 8:53 pm

I have had three pair hanging around for 10 days after only having 1 pair last year. All three pair are using gourds that I have underneath my two T14’s. About 4-5 days ago I had a couple pair of sparrows trying to move in. This morning about 10am I decided I would lower one of the houses down to put a trap in the cavity the sparrows were using. I plugged the other holes in the t14 but left the gourds open. The single pair using that house had been carrying nesting material in all 4 of the gourds under that house. The pair using those gourds was around when I lowered it. They flew around over head while I was doing it and came back shortly after. I lowered the house down a couple hours later to check the trap and had not caught anything. The birds were around when I did that also. All afternoon there was no sign of any of the birds. They were off flying around. When I got home later this evening I dropped the house to remove the trap. I hadn’t caught anything and the female from that house was nowhere to be found the male was flying around and the other two pair were sitting over on the other house. I watched until dark and the male sat out on the porch of the gourd and she never showed up. Could lowering the house a couple times have scared her off? This is a new pair that was not here last year. They are both asy birds.

Rafke77
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Re: Scared away a female???

Postby Rafke77 » Wed May 15, 2019 9:10 pm

I'm going to guess it didn't scare her off since he was still there and on the porch. I too am very nervous on what I do around the gourds and when and how often I lower them. But I have been reassured many times that I'll be fine. This is my first year with Martins and I've been learning they really are very relaxed around people, it almost seems unnatural.
Keep this updated!
-Rob
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deancamp
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Re: Scared away a female???

Postby deancamp » Thu May 16, 2019 6:18 am

I'm thinking no as well. Sometimes it is easy to miss them coming in or other times I think there is none in the housing and then one comes out of a nest. I have noticed they get more comfortable with the housing being lowered as they realize you are doing no harm and it becomes parr of the routine.

flyin-lowe
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Re: Scared away a female???

Postby flyin-lowe » Thu May 16, 2019 6:22 am

Just lowering a couple times won't scare them off. As long as you are not lowering after dark you are good.
2019- Currently 31 complete nests (27 with eggs or babies) 94 babies hatched and 19 eggs still to hatch) 6-22-19
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
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Buckdog122
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Re: Scared away a female???

Postby Buckdog122 » Thu May 16, 2019 8:10 am

So can to much activity around the house cause problems early on if you are a newbie? I have an adult male and an sy competing for a female? Will they be disturbed if there is lots of activity by humans? Or the more the merrier?

Spiderman
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Re: Scared away a female???

Postby Spiderman » Thu May 16, 2019 1:01 pm

I wouldn't say "The more the Merrier".

Martins are pretty shy at a new location. For simple brains they are evaluateing risk from nature, type of housing, & predators.

They really aren't "your" birds until they start laying eggs. Before that they can leave for a bunch of reasons.
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2009 - 51 PAIR - FLEDGED 166 YOUNG
2010 - 45 PAIR - FLEDGED 146 YOUNG
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detioh11
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Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:24 pm
Location: St Johns, MI
Martin Colony History: 2015 A few Visitors
2016 1 ASY pair 4 eggs 4 Fledged
2017 ASY male returned chased off by starlings
2018 3 Pair with nestlings and an ASY male bachelor and 2 SY males around all the time

Re: Scared away a female???

Postby detioh11 » Fri May 17, 2019 2:26 am

Update, she came back the following morning. I got up early to watch and the male came out of that gourd by himself and was flying around and calling a bit. The other two pair were just sitting on their gourd very calm like normal. After they had been outside for about a half hour I was outside and heard two of the males start acting excited and the female came flying in from the east and la see on her gourd with the lone male. Hard to say what she had been doing last night. Did she sleep in a tree somewhere? At least she came back about 45 mins after day break. I wasn’t around to see if she came back last night or not. I think I will be more cautious until they have eggs.

C.C.Martins
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Re: Scared away a female???

Postby C.C.Martins » Fri May 17, 2019 5:25 am

It can be worrying when they dont return for a bit, glad she showed up for you. Time the lowering right and they will be fine, unless theres a real emergency like a trapped bird etc, dont lower early in the morning when egg laying activity may be on going. Avoid dusk or at night. I wait till they are done preening and socialising in the early afternoon. Ill do nest checks once a week when they first arrive, looking for bugs/mites and wet nests after rain. When egg laying has started, same thing.
When hatching or have active older chicks i take more care. Theres lots of good discussions in the forum on techniques. Eventually they will be landing on the rack before you take 3 steps away.
Dont hesitate to be active around the yard they will accept it as the environment and will be safer for them and rewarding for you.
Please get those sparrows, continue to trap. Or shoot but its got to go.
Let us know.
Tom
Tom

2016- didnt know anything about martins, put up an all wrong house in 2016 and had two come by and inspect all the cavities. Left soon after not to return. Learned what i could on PMCA, made adjustments and next year was sucessful.
2017- 5 pair. 15 Fledged
2018-18 pairs. 85 Fledged.
2019-17 pair. 81 fledged.
Offering: 12 natural gourds, w/crescents and WDC openings. 6 modified compartment house, crescents with tunnels.

detioh11
Posts: 45
Joined: Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:24 pm
Location: St Johns, MI
Martin Colony History: 2015 A few Visitors
2016 1 ASY pair 4 eggs 4 Fledged
2017 ASY male returned chased off by starlings
2018 3 Pair with nestlings and an ASY male bachelor and 2 SY males around all the time

Re: Scared away a female???

Postby detioh11 » Fri May 17, 2019 5:08 pm

I was able to find a time this afternoon that the martins were gone, so I lowered the house and put the trap back in. I was able to catch the male sparrow. The female is being reluctant now but hopefully I will get her as well.

deancamp
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Re: Scared away a female???

Postby deancamp » Fri May 17, 2019 5:48 pm

Good to hear. I think your fine lowering the housing from time to time. Just don't overdue it and pick your times. Keep after the invaders.


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