Pole w/ Winch for T-14

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AidenD
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Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:36 am
Location: New Jersey

I am building a T-14 house that will be placed on a local golf course, and I am looking for recommendations on a pole. It should ideally be between 16-20 feet, have a winch, and be less than $250. Many thanks.
BillieJR
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Location: Monroe, WI

I don't have any advice but I'm sure you'll get some good advice from a few people here.

I just wanted to welcome you here.
Billie from south central Wisconsin
tboydshirt
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Location: sugarcreek,ohio
Martin Colony History: new in 2017, but ready for lots of birds. 44 gourds and 40 t14 style holes
2019 more visitors than in the past and a long suffering SY male. each year enhancing the site and hoping for the future.

I'll take 5 at that price! Please ship to 4511 Evans creek, Sugarcreek, Oh! :)
Seriously, I built a (sort of) T14 with free wood except the pole, and ended up with around $400 with pole, pully, winch, hardware, cement, etc.
Dale D
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Location: Orlando, Fl
Martin Colony History: Landlord since 2004

My suggestion would be to go with at least a 3" square pole with either Worm Gear or Brake Winch. IMO, 16' to 20' is much too high for a T-14 due to its weight. I would hold it to no more then 14' and preferably 12' off the ground and lower to maybe 8' during storms.
Orlando, FL Landlord since 2004
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rrmartins
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Location: Round Rock, TX

tboydshirt wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:21 am
I'll take 5 at that price! Please ship to 4511 Evans creek, Sugarcreek, Oh! :)
Seriously, I built a (sort of) T14 with free wood except the pole, and ended up with around $400 with pole, pully, winch, hardware, cement, etc.
Welcome to the forum!!
T14s are very heavy and need a very strong pole. Mine is a 2”, 21ft., schedule 80 steel pipe. It’s plenty strong but has one small flaw. When lowered for bad weather, the house will spin on the pipe. I have to put a wedge between the bottom of the house and pole to keep it from turning. No big deal really, just a wood wedge you can make and drive it between the pole and the frame the house is mounted to. The lower it is, the more it will spin back and forth in the wind. We’ve had 60 mph. winds in spring storms and the pole has never bent. It will sway but not bend, it’s very strong. It’s also inside a 3ft. ground sleeve pipe so I can move it or bring it down for maintenance of any kind. I drilled and tapped a hole, for a 5/8 bolt to go through the ground sleeve and into the pole, to keep the pipe from turning in the ground sleeve. The house always needs to face the same direction, so you don’t want your pole turning inside the sleeve in the ground. Spend the money up front or you will find your T14 on the ground one day. Also, look at a 5/8 hex drive winch, there is no need to crank that heavy puppy by hand when a good cordless drill will do all the work for you.
Go to “Chucks Purple Martin” page and he shows you how to make the setup I have. Good luck with it!!!
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flyin-lowe
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Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

I have 1 T 14 I built years ago and another I am finishing up now. For both I was able to buy a 3.5 inch galvanized round steel pipe. The first one I bought new from a plumber, 10 or more years ago when steel was cheap, it cost about $60.00 new. The most recent one I purchased at a local scrap yard, it is 20 foot and 3.5 inches. It was $75.00 but obviously far cheaper then new. For both I built a "carrier" out of treated 2x8's that is a wooden box that each section of the house mounts to and I used a hole saw to cut the top and bottom so it can move up and down the pole. I had a friend of mine weld another small box out of metal plate that I mount to my pole and then mount the winch to that box. It mounts to the pole with U bolts. Ill dig through my old pictures and see if I have any from the first build that better describes the setup. There is one picture from the top in this thread that shows a view of the carrier with the house mounted to it.

As was stated above if my house is lowered it will twist a little during a storm but it has never been an issue for me, when it is storming bad enough that I lower the house the martins are not flying anyway so if it is off center some it doesn't hurt. When it is all the way up there is not slack in the cable and it doesn't twist at all. With the 3.5 inch pipe I would probably never have to lower it but once or twice a year there will be really high winds and Ill drop it down some.

https://www.purplemartin.org/forum/view ... =2&t=35031
2021.................HOSP count-5
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
flyin-lowe
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Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

I went back and found some old pictures from my original build. First picture is the inside of the carrier showing the "T Nuts" that were used as a means to bolt the house on. Second picture is the carrier itself, Third picture shows the metal box I had welded up to mount the winch, and last picture shows how I cut a slot in the top of the pole and recessed a pulley. The second bolt you see above the pulley was put in just to keep the cable from ever being able to slip off the top of the pulley. Probably not necessary but very cheap insurance.
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2021.................HOSP count-5
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
daveh
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Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:40 am
Location: Kingsville Mo.

I built my T14 and post from the instruction book that Troyer's wrote.It's a laminated wooden post, 3 3/4 x 5 1/2, that is strong and straight after14years. It needs paint occasionally but mine tilts so that I can lean it down in the off season and work on. I bought the hardware kit for the post which includes the Dutton-Lainson 350A winch. It works well but it does bounce the house some when lowering. I do like my post.

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flyin-lowe
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Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

I had multiple pics in my post above but only one showed up. I'll get you the others tomorrow.
2021.................HOSP count-5
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
flyin-lowe
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Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

Here is the winch mount.....
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2021.................HOSP count-5
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
flyin-lowe
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Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

And the carrier.....
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2021.................HOSP count-5
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
Fuzzmeister
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Joined: Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:02 pm
Location: Saskatchewan Canada

Hi there! is that carrier made out of a 2x6 or a 2x8?
And how did you attach your cable to the carrier? I am in the process of making a t14 right now and was going to make the carrier like chucks t 14 but I think this is a better way, a little heavier but more solid.
flyin-lowe
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Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

If I remember right the width of the T 14 is 7 plus inches. I think 2 sides of the carrier are 2x8s ripped down and the other two are 2x6''s. I have a hook screwed to the bottom of the carrier. The cable has a loop in it around the hook. I also have a large flat washer and some of the clamps screwed onto the cable as a safety, if the hook fails the clamps and the loop snag fit through the hole/washer.
2021.................HOSP count-5
2020 Currently 42 nest, 110 babies, 64 eggs left to hatch(6-22-20) HOSP count-8
2019- 31 Pair over 100 fledged
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.
Fuzzmeister
Posts: 178
Joined: Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:02 pm
Location: Saskatchewan Canada

Thanks flyinlowe for the info I appreciate every one here on the forum passing on the knowledge to all us new purple Martin enthusiasts, I’m going to be a second year landlord this year I had 12 pairs on my first year and decided to put another house up, the t 14 peaked my interest and I am currently in the middle of it, I’m hoping to get it up before they arrive. Thanks again
Evan337
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Joined: Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:00 pm
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana

The least expensive option is the 20' long 2"x 6" laminated post that Troyer has instructions on how to build. I think you can build it for around $100. I like the look. I built two and stained both. The one thing is you need to allow time for the lumber to dry before you build the post and put it in the ground. The longer you let it dry in a barn, attic, or shop the less likely it is to warp. Neither of mine have warped but I let them dry for six months. The link below should take you to a picture of the two I have.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ibb5yhzxldugw ... 3.jpg?dl=0
studio9400
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Joined: Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:17 am
Location: Grimes, Iowa
Martin Colony History: I'm new!

Newbie here! Looking to build my first PM home. Going to start with 6 using a design that I can add 6 more too down the road. My biggest concern is the pole. Would a 2" schedule 40 pole work or should I spend the money on an 80? I do some welding and I also thought about a 3" 14ga steel square tube. We have a very windy backyard on occasion. I do plan to lower it during storms. Thanks for any advice you can give.
rrmartins
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Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:04 am
Location: Round Rock, TX

Go 80 if your going round, a lot of people do like the square poles, I’ve just never had one. Mines ten years old, and it’s seen some big storms.
2020
T14
7 pair
25 fledged
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