SY Male?

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brent
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Location: Raceland, Louisiana

Hi Every one,

Could this be my first SY male (left one)? What do you think? I saw him for the first time a couple of days ago and was close enough to take his picture today. Let me know your opinion so if it is I will make a report.

Thanks,

Brent
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kim w.
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Location: IN/Goshen

Sure looks that way to me.
Kim W.
GFB
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Joined: Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:05 pm
Location: Ontario NY
Martin Colony History: I Started my first colony with my father in the late 1960's. Started building custom vinyl Martin houses last year 2018 and was successful with 10 birds fledged and it looks like several dozen birds are hanging around. Time to expand.
2018: 1 T-14 and 6 gourds. Fledged 10
2019: 2 T-14's and 6 gourds. Fledged 70
2020: 2 T-14's and 6 gourds. Fledged 111

I'm just guessing but to me he is a she. looks like an adult female.
tboydshirt
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Joined: Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:42 pm
Location: sugarcreek,ohio
Martin Colony History: new in 2017, but ready for lots of birds. 44 gourds and 40 t14 style holes
2019 more visitors than in the past and a long suffering SY male. each year enhancing the site and hoping for the future.

I vote no.
brent
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Location: Raceland, Louisiana

Thanks every one. I guess that when in doubt don't. I'll hold off on reporting it but it will be interesting to hear other opinions.

Brent
deancamp
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The part I am focused on is the purple feathers below its leg...

Jeff
kim w.
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Jeff
I agree with you. Thats what I was looking at.
Kim W.
brent
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Location: Raceland, Louisiana

Good point Jeff. I compared this picture to the ones provided by PMCA for identifying SYs and ASYs and this one looks similar to the SY male. Of course they do have some similarities which makes it hard when identifying. Thanks for your in put.

Brent
Dave Reynolds
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Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

Looks like a adult female to me.... Sorry...

Dave
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

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brent
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Location: Raceland, Louisiana

Thanks Dave. PMCA does say that SY males can be tricky to identify - easily confused with adult females. Thanks every one!
lynnh
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Location: Iowa, New Sharon

Asy female.
2007 2 pair 8 fledged
2008 4 pair 18 fledged
2009 21 pair 87 fledged
2010 44 pair 174 fledged
2011 68 pair 244 fledged
2012 82 pair 364 fledged
2013 82 pair 359 fledged
2014 86 pair 415 fledged
2015 101 pair 427 fledged
Robert
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Location: Columbia , South Carolina

Looks like an ASY female to me the SY will be showing up a little later
Robert , South Carolina
PMCA member
40 year PM landlord
2018 season
21 pairs 107 eggs 99 fledged
2019 season
23 pairs 122 eggs 105 fledged
2020 season
23 pairs 122 eggs 72 fledged
2021
deancamp
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Location: Raymore, MO

Can some of the experienced landlords use this bird as an example and explain what characteristics you are looking at the most for identification?

Jeff
JHunter
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Nice shot!
John Barrow
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I would call this bird an SY male, earlier in the molt process then some seen in the days ahead. I believe some of the black neck feathers will darken out in the coming weeks, and the black spot under its right leg, as well as a less defined spot under the left is indicative of a male. Plus the timing is right for earliest SYs to be reported in sparse numbers along the Gulf coastal region. Another tell would be a clicking sound at the end of its call, a male behavior.
For a rare and really interesting observation and challenge, take a look down the recently posted page at one of the birds we hosted in Port O'Connor in 2007 and 2008. Sy male? Actually a melanistic female or gynandromorph (half male, half female) bird. Mated with a male both years and successfully fledged a brood each year.

http://purplemartin.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=35078
~~TEAMED WITH A MARTIN GODDESS~~

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deancamp
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Very interesting, do the sy birds continue to gain more color throughout the season or does that only happen with another molt?

Jeff
BioJoe
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Location: PA/Erie

Sometimes the tiebreaker in ID'ing these darker ASY females from SY males is the "croak call" that's only done by males.

https://www.purplemartin.org/purple-mar ... lizations/
The sound file is at the bottom. It's the male call with the clicking sound at the end.
phldave
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Location: Iowa/Pleasant Hill
Martin Colony History: Started trying in 2012 and still trying

That one is difficult, looking at the tail chevrons and the blotchy breast I would almost vote SY male. Have you heard it's call yet?
2012 late start
2013 nothing yet, lots a lookers
2014 Bust again
2015 Bust again
2016 Bust again
2017 Bust again
2018 April 14 a group joined me, but moved on after a week
2019 Had SY male seriously check me out but didn't stay
brent
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Location: Raceland, Louisiana

I have not heard it call but what made me think that it may be a SY male was that it was much lighter than the ASY females that have arrived. Originally I thought it was a SY female until I was able to see the underside clearly, as seen in the photo. Interesting to have so many differing opinions. I don't want to post that it is SY male on the scout report since there is so much uncertainty. Great responses from every one!

Brent
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