Think I have decided to build another T14

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flyin-lowe
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Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby flyin-lowe » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:47 pm

I decided last fall that I was going to expand my housing this year. I have 34 cavities available and had 15 nesting pair last year. At my old colony down the road my second year I went from 12 to 30 pair, and I could have had a few more I think. I am not expecting to see that kind of increase again this year but in case I do I want to be ready. My first T14 project was pretty cheap as I bought some rough cut hemlock boards and planed them down. I had less then $100.00 in the house and I used a 3.5 inch galvanized pipe that I got from a contractor, It's been years ago but I think it was only around $50.00 or so, maybe $60.00.

I was trying to decide between another AAA gourd rack or T14. If I bought the pole/kit and the lumber (cedar) and built it myself I would have around $600-$700.00 in that. The gourd rack and Troyer gourds would end up being the same. Today at my local scrap yard I came across another piece of pipe almost identical to the last one that I can get for under $100.00 so that was the deciding factor. Glad I have a few months to get things built and put together. Ill post some pictures once I get going. I have been scouring around trying to find rough cut lumber again but so far nothing that is much cheaper then just buying it at Menards....
2019- Currently 31 complete nests (27 with eggs or babies) 94 babies hatched and 19 eggs still to hatch) 6-22-19
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

kim w.
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Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby kim w. » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:23 pm

I build mine out of cedar which I have sawed from old electric polls. Most of the time you can get them free or a little bit of nothing. Once sawed you can use right away as there is no drying time.
Kim W.

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Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby flyin-lowe » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:26 pm

It has been sow long since I bought the brake winch that I use for my current T-14. It is a Dutton-Laison and has worked fine for many years. I see they have 600 lbs, 800, 1200, 2500. I know the T14 will weigh less then 150 pounds or so, but for some reason I was thinking it was recommended to get a higher rated winch. I am not an engineer, is there a reason I would need one with a rating over 600 lbs?
2019- Currently 31 complete nests (27 with eggs or babies) 94 babies hatched and 19 eggs still to hatch) 6-22-19
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

Wildriver
Posts: 31
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:48 pm
Location: Luck Wisconsin
Martin Colony History: Landlord of colony started in 1940 by grandfather. Completely lost colony due to houses that did not provide protection from owls.
New T-14 houses installed. 100% full with no nest abandonment due to owl guards, predator lights and decoys.
Starting new colonies in Minneapolis with new T-14 houses. Planning on community martin houses in park system. Re-claimed wetlands next to city lakes would be excellent site. Currently their are No colonies in Minneapolis, MN. Hoping to have same success as I had in Western Wisconsin

Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby Wildriver » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:34 am

Western red Cedar has gotten really expensive ! Only bad thing about a T-14 is they need better venting. Sure has been a great house for my colony. Especially the starling resistant entrances. Adding third T-14 this year to my home site. 42 nesting cavities offered. I paid $1100 for the entire set up, 18ft two piece 3 inch pole, cedar house and winch. It was $400 cheaper only a few years ago. I am just happy the PM like the design. I have built a couple of houses they did not care for. It is so disappointing to make the hole too large or too high from the perch. Have them over run with starlings.

sugarcreek
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Martin Colony History: 2016 First Yr.

Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby sugarcreek » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:52 am

I have built/refurbished all of my houses 6 total T14's now, as well as built one for a friend of mine, some out of pine some out of western ceder....the key is keeping them covered in the winter and a fresh coat of paint in the fall all with gourds hanging from the bottom....The total you spend for the wood and the post accessories will save you a couple hundred dollars if you build it yourself For me its the fun of making them...Knowing i made them and martins are living in them....If you think adding one house more wont affect your outcome you may be surprised as i went from 1 to 3 in 3 yrs and our increase was significant....and then added three more houses for the 2019 yr....I am also now done adding houses as my front yard is starting to resemble nothing but Martin houses...and the wife has said "thats enough" :grin: 108 cavities.

Wishing you lots of added Martins with your new house/setup
2016 - 1st Yr. 14 Compartments 4 Active Nests 9 fledged, 2.25 Fledged per Active Nest
2017 - 2nd Yr. 36 Compartments 18 Active Nests 65 Fledged, 3.61 Fledged per Active Nest
2018 - 3rd Yr. 54 Compartments 43 Active Nests 169 Fledged, 3.93 Fledged per Active Nest
2019 - 4th Yr. 108 Compartments 67 Active Nests 209 Fledged, 3.12 Fledged per Active Nest
2020 - 5th Yr. 108 Compartments ?

Ryan
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Location: Eganville, Ontario
Martin Colony History: Visitors are rare. Two SY males seen in 9 years.

Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby Ryan » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:02 pm

Before you buy cedar or fir plywood I have to give a vote to a material called MDO Signboard. It's what road signs are made of. I was skeptical at first but built my last set of chalets out of it. I did roof and porches out of eastern cedar because water may sit on horizontal surfaces more. Honestly that was a bit of overkill and you could get away with MDO board everywhere. Overall the MDO board was excellent to work with and paints as good or better than anything. It's super smooth and no voids. The core is 1/2" fir ply so you have the strength and durability of fir plywood, but the outside faces is laminated in a waterproof paper material.

It might be hard to find, but worth it IMO. It's not expensive. So nice to work with, and light and strong. Here's some pictures of mine. You should try out a chalet system. The wooden gourd. I can help you with some dimensions if you want.

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Home site: 12 cedar chalets - Plus two satellite sites which are also empty.
2010- 1 SY male on and off for a couple weeks
2011- 0 visits
2012- 0 visits
2013- 0 visits
2014- 1 SY male stopped in here and there for two weeks.
2015- 0 visits
2016- 0 visits
2017- 0 visits
2018- 0 visits
2019- Break-through year. Had a SY Male stop in on June 7th and stay all day, every day until end of June. Hoping he returns in 2020 because I'm getting sick of updating this list.

tboydshirt
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Location: sugarcreek,ohio
Martin Colony History: new in 2017, but ready for lots of birds. 44 gourds and 40 t14 style holes

Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby tboydshirt » Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:07 pm

i'm the friend that 'sugarcreek' made the extra t14 for. great work, mike, and tell your wife that you can never have too many martin houses, you can only have too many trees! here's to 2019.

pmlover
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Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby pmlover » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:31 pm

Thats what i say Mike and Tim the only thing is as you get older and keep adding like i have it gets harder but i love thoase little birds. And as you get bigger with many more loud mouth pms you become a bigger target for predators.
Dick Morrow
2015 69 pairs 418 eggs 396 fledged
2019 I have 148 openings now
2016 100 pairs 600 babies fledged added another t-14 and have 126 openings now
2015 Jun 24 360 babies and 58 eggs also found one that had died
2017 632 babies 11died and 20 were killed by hawks
2015 74 pairs and 9 eggs 5/14
2010 3pairss
]JOINED PMCA JUNE 6,2018
2018 651 babies 5 hawk kills 11 floater kills 25 died in houses and 610 fledged

2014 80 pairs 283 babies 282 fledged one died

Wildriver
Posts: 31
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:48 pm
Location: Luck Wisconsin
Martin Colony History: Landlord of colony started in 1940 by grandfather. Completely lost colony due to houses that did not provide protection from owls.
New T-14 houses installed. 100% full with no nest abandonment due to owl guards, predator lights and decoys.
Starting new colonies in Minneapolis with new T-14 houses. Planning on community martin houses in park system. Re-claimed wetlands next to city lakes would be excellent site. Currently their are No colonies in Minneapolis, MN. Hoping to have same success as I had in Western Wisconsin

Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby Wildriver » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:31 am

Before you buy cedar or fir plywood I have to give a vote to a material called MDO Signboard. It's what road signs are made of. I was skeptical at first but built my last set of chalets out of it. I did roof and porches out of eastern cedar because water may sit on horizontal surfaces more. Honestly that was a bit of overkill and you could get away with MDO board everywhere. Overall the MDO board was excellent to work with and paints as good or better than anything. It's super smooth and no voids. The core is 1/2" fir ply so you have the strength and durability of fir plywood, but the outside faces is laminated in a waterproof paper material.

It might be hard to find, but worth it IMO. It's not expensive. So nice to work with, and light and strong. Here's some pictures of mine. You should try out a chalet system. The wooden gourd. I can help you with some dimensions if you want.

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Ryan, Your work is amazing and your persistence is as well. I am going borrow one of your ideas on the drone video of your site. Sooner or later some lucky martins will find your sites. I can tell by the photos that you are an expert craftsman and I bet you could eat off the floor in your shop! David

sugarcreek
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Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby sugarcreek » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:21 am

Before you buy cedar or fir plywood I have to give a vote to a material called MDO Signboard. It's what road signs are made of. I was skeptical at first but built my last set of chalets out of it. I did roof and porches out of eastern cedar because water may sit on horizontal surfaces more. Honestly that was a bit of overkill and you could get away with MDO board everywhere. Overall the MDO board was excellent to work with and paints as good or better than anything. It's super smooth and no voids. The core is 1/2" fir ply so you have the strength and durability of fir plywood, but the outside faces is laminated in a waterproof paper material.

It might be hard to find, but worth it IMO. It's not expensive. So nice to work with, and light and strong. Here's some pictures of mine. You should try out a chalet system. The wooden gourd. I can help you with some dimensions if you want.

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I agree these are some nice looking houses.
2016 - 1st Yr. 14 Compartments 4 Active Nests 9 fledged, 2.25 Fledged per Active Nest
2017 - 2nd Yr. 36 Compartments 18 Active Nests 65 Fledged, 3.61 Fledged per Active Nest
2018 - 3rd Yr. 54 Compartments 43 Active Nests 169 Fledged, 3.93 Fledged per Active Nest
2019 - 4th Yr. 108 Compartments 67 Active Nests 209 Fledged, 3.12 Fledged per Active Nest
2020 - 5th Yr. 108 Compartments ?

flyin-lowe
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Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby flyin-lowe » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:41 pm

I picked up the pole last night. It is a 20 foot 3.5 inch OD schedule 80 galvanized pipe. This is exactly what I used for my last T14 and it has served well. It was never budged in the wind and begin galvanized no rust or painting issues. The only modification I make is to cut a slot in the top to recess and pulley into. Then I weld a small metal "box" that I attach to the pole with U bolts and then bolt the winch to that.
2019- Currently 31 complete nests (27 with eggs or babies) 94 babies hatched and 19 eggs still to hatch) 6-22-19
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

Doug Martin - PA
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Location: Pennsylvania/Fombell
Martin Colony History: First pair in 2009 after 28 years of trying. 3 pairs 2010, 17 pairs 2011 and 35-45 pairs since. Many additional colonies are now springing up around mine in an area once completely void of Martins. I offer 50 compartments at my site consisting of primarily Excluder II gourds on Gemini racks. Also a wooden T-14. I utilize electric fence type predator guards on the base of the poles. Supplemental feeding is crucial in maintaining my colony. I platform feed throughout the season as needed. My site tends to be a stop over point for additional birds as they migrate further north.

Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby Doug Martin - PA » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:52 pm

Sounds like a plan Flyin-Lowe.

I don't think you have to overdo it on the brake winch. They actually need the weight to work right. I put a standard one from Troyers on my new Gemini rack that I adapted to a round schedule 40 metal pole as well. It works great and is much safer to raise and lower. Good luck this year you should really start filling up your housing. They will be fighting to get in there soon. .

Doug
Supplemental feeding plays a major role in western Pennsylvania. Finally got my 1st pair in 2009 after 28 years of effort. 3 pairs in 2010. 17 pairs in 2011. 35 pairs and 150 young in 2012 & 2013. Plus a new 22 pair colony right down the road from me.

Dave Duit
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Location: state:Iowa / town:Nevada
Martin Colony History: In 2018, 54 pair with 202 fledged youngsters. 73 total compartments available, 48 Troyer Horizontal gourds and 4 modified trio metal house units, owl cages around all units. Martin educator and speaker. President of the Iowa Purple Martin Organization. Please visit www.iamartin.org and join.

Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby Dave Duit » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:03 am

Building martin houses is a big draw for many landlords. In fact, it is the reason some people get in to the hobby. Those that like to use their hands in order to provide the martin with a cozy home should be praised for their skills and hard work and time. Great work guys. I have a wood shop and enjoy building T14s as well as other bird houses. I usually donate them to city parks and wildlife areas. It gives me a chance to get out in the wild to do nest checks at all the cavities. Last count, I had about 55 bird houses scattered in central Iowa. Ryan's martin cavities are top notch.
Mite control, heat venting, predator protection and additional feeding during bad weather add up to success.

flyin-lowe
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Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby flyin-lowe » Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:14 pm

I got a decent start today. I spent the afternoon getting all the boards cut and ripped down to size. Now I just need to start assembling all the components. I used the Troyer plans that I bought years ago and I really like they way they did the plans. They have a lumber list then they have a diagram for each board showing what sizes you need for each piece. Makes it easy to go board by board and cut everything out. I might start assembly tomorrow, depending on the weather.....
2019- Currently 31 complete nests (27 with eggs or babies) 94 babies hatched and 19 eggs still to hatch) 6-22-19
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

flyin-lowe
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Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby flyin-lowe » Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:17 pm

Before you buy cedar or fir plywood I have to give a vote to a material called MDO Signboard. It's what road signs are made of. I was skeptical at first but built my last set of chalets out of it. I did roof and porches out of eastern cedar because water may sit on horizontal surfaces more. Honestly that was a bit of overkill and you could get away with MDO board everywhere. Overall the MDO board was excellent to work with and paints as good or better than anything. It's super smooth and no voids. The core is 1/2" fir ply so you have the strength and durability of fir plywood, but the outside faces is laminated in a waterproof paper material.

It might be hard to find, but worth it IMO. It's not expensive. So nice to work with, and light and strong. Here's some pictures of mine. You should try out a chalet system. The wooden gourd. I can help you with some dimensions if you want.

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Curious about how much you have in each chalet? I really like the looks of them, I would also be interested in how much each one weighs.
2019- Currently 31 complete nests (27 with eggs or babies) 94 babies hatched and 19 eggs still to hatch) 6-22-19
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

Ryan
Posts: 243
Joined: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:19 pm
Location: Eganville, Ontario
Martin Colony History: Visitors are rare. Two SY males seen in 9 years.

Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby Ryan » Sun Mar 03, 2019 10:06 pm

I think I only needed not much more than a sheet of the MDO board. I think I paid about $40 Canadian a sheet which is $30 for you. Cedar here is cheap, maybe $1 a square foot so save $40 there tops. Hinges, clips, and eye hooks maybe another $40. That would get you a dozen chalets.

Paint is paint so same cost there if you built any other house. The post is also a wash in cost i guess too.

The discs i made from 1 1/4" cedar and glued them up. Maybe $30 there. For steel rods i use galvanized electrical conduit 3/4" which is 10$ a length so $40 there too.

Thats about it, but lots of time for sure, especially for the painting.

For weight, I shipped one to test to the US and one chalet is pretty light. Less than 3 pounds.
Home site: 12 cedar chalets - Plus two satellite sites which are also empty.
2010- 1 SY male on and off for a couple weeks
2011- 0 visits
2012- 0 visits
2013- 0 visits
2014- 1 SY male stopped in here and there for two weeks.
2015- 0 visits
2016- 0 visits
2017- 0 visits
2018- 0 visits
2019- Break-through year. Had a SY Male stop in on June 7th and stay all day, every day until end of June. Hoping he returns in 2020 because I'm getting sick of updating this list.

flyin-lowe
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Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby flyin-lowe » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:24 am

I got the boxes assembled this week. I haven't put the doors on yet because I have ordered some SREH plates and will gut the doors and mount the plates before putting them on and put the trim on the peak of the roof. Hopefully this weekend I can get my carrier built and then make the mods I need to make to the pole.
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2019- Currently 31 complete nests (27 with eggs or babies) 94 babies hatched and 19 eggs still to hatch) 6-22-19
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

flyin-lowe
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Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby flyin-lowe » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:10 pm

I got my carrier built today and did a test fit. Hopefully I get the SREH plates this week so I can get the doors finished and attached. I still have a little trim work to do plus I might build some perches on it somewhere not sure about that though. Then time for some primer and paint.....

The first pic is looking down from the top at the carrier. It is built out of treated 2x8's. This is how I built my last one too. I'll drill a hole on each side and run my cable up through one side and down through the other. I just have a few screws holding it together right now as I will pull it apart to go around the pole and then put it back together and add additional screws. I built my last one the same way about 10 years ago and it is still holding up good.
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2019- Currently 31 complete nests (27 with eggs or babies) 94 babies hatched and 19 eggs still to hatch) 6-22-19
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

flyin-lowe
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Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:49 am
Location: Indiana/Henry Co.

Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby flyin-lowe » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:12 pm

Here's the carrier from above.
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2019- Currently 31 complete nests (27 with eggs or babies) 94 babies hatched and 19 eggs still to hatch) 6-22-19
2018- 15 pair last count 49 fledged
2017 3 SY pair nested, 12 eggs total, fledged 10. 4 additional SY's stayed all summer but never paired/nested.
2016 1 pair fledged 4
2015 Visitors
2014 Visitors
2013 Moved 6 miles away, 1 pair fledged 2.
2012 30 pair fledged 100.
2011 12 pair (11 that nested), 43 fledged.
2010 5 pair, 21 eggs, 16 hatched, 14 fledged.

Ryan
Posts: 243
Joined: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:19 pm
Location: Eganville, Ontario
Martin Colony History: Visitors are rare. Two SY males seen in 9 years.

Re: Think I have decided to build another T14

Postby Ryan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:26 pm

Looks good.
Home site: 12 cedar chalets - Plus two satellite sites which are also empty.
2010- 1 SY male on and off for a couple weeks
2011- 0 visits
2012- 0 visits
2013- 0 visits
2014- 1 SY male stopped in here and there for two weeks.
2015- 0 visits
2016- 0 visits
2017- 0 visits
2018- 0 visits
2019- Break-through year. Had a SY Male stop in on June 7th and stay all day, every day until end of June. Hoping he returns in 2020 because I'm getting sick of updating this list.


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