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Dave Reynolds
Posts: 1919
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

I have a question... When filling out the Project Martinwatch form.. After the fledgling have fledge.. What “CODE” do I use to show that they have all fledged... Just an Empty Nest..?? Thanks

Dave
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

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Kyler
Posts: 894
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:15 pm
Location: Colby, Kansas
Martin Colony History: PMCA Member - Project MartinWatch - Enlarged Compartments - SREH - S&S Control - Mite Control - Predator Guards - Heat Control ( Vents and Insulation ) - Supplemental Feeding -

Manage 7 different colonies in Colby Kansas.

Dave,
I have always just put a X.

Kyler,
Purple Martin Landlords of Northwest KS
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC9HDLGlbCmSYcSExIySwUQA

2013 & 2015 - 0 Pair -
2014 - 1 Pair - 4 Eggs - 3 Hatched - 3 Fledged -
2016 - 5 Pair - 27 Eggs - 24 Hatched - 13 Fledged -
2017 - 18 Pair - 102 Eggs - 78 Hatched - 69 Fledged -
2018 - 22 Pair - 115 Eggs - 92 Hatched - 86 Fledged -
2019 - 28 Pair - 144 Eggs - 131 Hatched - 125 Fledged -
2020 - 40 Pair - 190 Eggs - 136 Hatched - 131 Fledged -
2021 - ??
Dave Reynolds
Posts: 1919
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

Kyler wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:06 pm
Dave,
I have always just put a X.

Kyler,
Kyler ,,, Thanks so much... I had heard that some people did nest checks all year long, and filled out the form.. But their nest check form was rejected because they forgot to finished the last nest check, So now all I need to do is put an “X” on the last nest check..

Dave
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

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Ed Svetich-WI
Posts: 798
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:05 pm
Location: Brooks, Wi (McGinnis Lake)
Martin Colony History: 24 Super and Excluder Gourds on two gourd racks, all SREH. Full occupancy. My philosophy is to maximize fledge % with existing cavities rather than adding gourds to grow colony, thus providing opportunities for new colony expansion. Fledge over 100 nestlings yearly from 24 gourds. Band nestlings in cooperation with state university. 2019 Adendum: Reduced colony size to 12 gourds to focus on more intensive management regimen.

What does Bio Joe suggest? They rejected mine several years ago also.
Kyler
Posts: 894
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:15 pm
Location: Colby, Kansas
Martin Colony History: PMCA Member - Project MartinWatch - Enlarged Compartments - SREH - S&S Control - Mite Control - Predator Guards - Heat Control ( Vents and Insulation ) - Supplemental Feeding -

Manage 7 different colonies in Colby Kansas.

Dave,
Yes that is all I have put and they have accepted it the last 2 years!

Ed,
Did they email you or something that told you that they rejected it?

Kyler,
Purple Martin Landlords of Northwest KS
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC9HDLGlbCmSYcSExIySwUQA

2013 & 2015 - 0 Pair -
2014 - 1 Pair - 4 Eggs - 3 Hatched - 3 Fledged -
2016 - 5 Pair - 27 Eggs - 24 Hatched - 13 Fledged -
2017 - 18 Pair - 102 Eggs - 78 Hatched - 69 Fledged -
2018 - 22 Pair - 115 Eggs - 92 Hatched - 86 Fledged -
2019 - 28 Pair - 144 Eggs - 131 Hatched - 125 Fledged -
2020 - 40 Pair - 190 Eggs - 136 Hatched - 131 Fledged -
2021 - ??
Ed Svetich-WI
Posts: 798
Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2004 10:05 pm
Location: Brooks, Wi (McGinnis Lake)
Martin Colony History: 24 Super and Excluder Gourds on two gourd racks, all SREH. Full occupancy. My philosophy is to maximize fledge % with existing cavities rather than adding gourds to grow colony, thus providing opportunities for new colony expansion. Fledge over 100 nestlings yearly from 24 gourds. Band nestlings in cooperation with state university. 2019 Adendum: Reduced colony size to 12 gourds to focus on more intensive management regimen.

As I remember it, the gentleman I spoke with at the time told me that my data had not been used in the final tabulation because I had not indicated fledgling, although I had indicated how many fledged from each gourd in the far right column of the spreadsheet. After keeping a seasons worth of data, I was a bit upset to say the least.

Ed
daveh
Posts: 662
Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:40 am
Location: Kingsville Mo.

I write down what I see. If there are 3 young in compartment or gourd I write that on the martin watch sheet. If they haveall fledged, then I write down 0 young, or really 0y.

Dave
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BioJoe
Posts: 132
Joined: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:18 pm
Location: PA/Erie

The disqualifying criteria for PMW datasheets are:
1. Nest checks are >7 days apart
2. No final nest check showing an empty nest after nestlings have reached 26 days old

As for the indication on the data sheet:
Any indication that the nest is empty is acceptable. Some use an X to show an empty nest. Some use F to indicate fledged.

The bottom line is that we need to see that a check has been done after fledging (but still within the 7 day frequency). Otherwise, there is no way to eliminate the possibility that all of the fledglings are dead in the nest.

Hope this clarifies things.
TheSmiths
Posts: 329
Joined: Mon May 12, 2014 1:02 pm
Location: Western KY
Martin Colony History:

Tried to attract PMs since 2004; began more ernest attempt in 2014.

Current housing consists of two modified Trio M12Ks and a round gourd rack.

2018 — 3 pairs

2019 — 6 pairs

2020 — 12 pairs; barred owl late in season


Monitor FILs colony as well as colony at park.

~15 years of providing housing for bluebirds, Carolina wrens, house wrens, Carolina chickadees, tufted titmice, great-crested flycatchers and northern flickers.

BigJoe, I participate in NestWatch & was planning to transpose my info onto MartinWatch sheets for submission. There was at least one occasion when 10 days passed between nest checks due to inclement weather. Would that mean none of the data for that nest is usable? I don't want to bog either one of us down with paperwork if the submission will be rejected.

On a related note: What criteria needs to be met for roost data to be useful/accepted? I had computer problems when I submitted info about a roost in Paducah, KY so I don't believe all of the fields were filled out. Was the roost not added to the map because it was not of a significant size or was it rejected because some of the info was missing? I've been attempting to make contact with individuals regarding that site as well as some others further downriver but don't want to gather info if it isn't of interest to PMCA.

Thanks!
Gauxt
Posts: 82
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:03 pm
Location: Louisiana/Prairieville
Martin Colony History: Started 2007
2013 1 Pair
2015 2 Pair
2016 4 Pair
2017 12 Pair
2018 15 Pair
2019 15 Pair
2020 19 Pair

Joe. If any of the nest checks are greater than 7 days apart, are you saying all the data on the sheet will NOT be used?
Please let me know. If that's the case I'll just keep my own records and not bother with submitting the data sheet.
2010-0
2011-visitors
2012-visitors
2013-1 pair
2014-0
2015-2 pair
2016 4 pair
2017 12 pair
2018 15 pair
BioJoe
Posts: 132
Joined: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:18 pm
Location: PA/Erie

Regarding nest checks greater than 7 days apart: It's worth sending it in to us. A closer look at the data will help us determine if some or all of the data is usable. The nest check frequency has some gray area, but the final nest check requirement does not.

Regarding the roost reporting: Simply complete as much of the report form as possible. It does not have as stringent criteria as the nest check data. The reason that it's not displaying on the map is that this component of the website is perennially bugged. We're working to resolve it, but it's going to require a complete redesign on the internal structure of the code. Bottom line: if you submit the data we have it even though it doesn't show on the map.
Dave Reynolds
Posts: 1919
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

BioJoe wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:54 am
The disqualifying criteria for PMW datasheets are:
1. Nest checks are >7 days apart
2. No final nest check showing an empty nest after nestlings have reached 26 days old

As for the indication on the data sheet:
Any indication that the nest is empty is acceptable. Some use an X to show an empty nest. Some use F to indicate fledged.

The bottom line is that we need to see that a check has been done after fledging (but still within the 7 day frequency). Otherwise, there is no way to eliminate the possibility that all of the fledglings are dead in the nest.

Hope this clarifies things.
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Thanks BioJoe,,, Will do my best to get it right.. Once I’m done with the form.. How is it sent to you.. By Email?? Is it on the form?? Or do I cut and paste it ,, to get it to you??

Dave
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

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BioJoe
Posts: 132
Joined: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:18 pm
Location: PA/Erie

You can mail us the form, email a scan, email a spreadsheet, or use our online system to submit the data (time intensive if not done throughout the year).

options are all listed on the bottom of the page here: https://www.purplemartin.org/research/1 ... rtinwatch/
randyM
Posts: 105
Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:30 pm
Location: Long Lake SD
Martin Colony History: 2006 - SY pair, unsuccessful nest attempt, 3 houses = 52 cavities

2010 - ASYM + SYF pair - male disappeared after storm, female fledged all 4 young.

2015 - Lone SYM stayed month of June...added 8 gourds = 60 cavities

2016 - 1 nesting pair (ASYM + SYF) 2/3 eggs hatched 2 young fledged.

2017 - 4 nesting pairs, 16/17 eggs hatched, 16 fledged, 16 banded - 2 banded SY returned in 2018 (12.5%), added housing: 11 houses w/gourds, 4 gourd poles = 376 cavities

2018 - 10 nesting pairs, 46/52 eggs hatched, 45 fledged, 29 banded - 3 banded SY returned in 2019 (10.3%)

2019 - 32 nesting pairs, 145/160 eggs hatched, 139 fledged - 87 banded - 12 banded SY returned in 2020 (13.8%).

2020 - 35 nesting pairs, 180/199 eggs hatched, 178 fledged - 150 banded.

I submitted my colony nesting data to PMCA last year and it was accept. This year my schedule did not allow me to conduct nest checks at required intervals. However, I will still submit my data from this year to PMCA once the last nests fledges (7 of 10 nests currently with young).

I also submit all of my nest data (for martins, bluebirds, wrens, and tree swallows) to the Cornell Lab of Ornithology. They have a really neat website that allows you to fill in your data online as you check each of your nests. The site provides an up to date summary of your nests for each species (total eggs, total hatched, total fledged, nest success, etc.) and for year you submit data. You always have access to view your data from past years' and the current year. You can find out more by checking out their website at https://nestwatch.org.

I too have submitted info for a martin roost the past few years located in Bismarck, ND. I was wondering why it did not show up on the map. The birds have already begun to roost there again this year. It would be nice if the martin roost map was updated so others can use this map to view active roost in their area.
TheSmiths
Posts: 329
Joined: Mon May 12, 2014 1:02 pm
Location: Western KY
Martin Colony History:

Tried to attract PMs since 2004; began more ernest attempt in 2014.

Current housing consists of two modified Trio M12Ks and a round gourd rack.

2018 — 3 pairs

2019 — 6 pairs

2020 — 12 pairs; barred owl late in season


Monitor FILs colony as well as colony at park.

~15 years of providing housing for bluebirds, Carolina wrens, house wrens, Carolina chickadees, tufted titmice, great-crested flycatchers and northern flickers.

BioJoe wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:16 am
Regarding nest checks greater than 7 days apart: It's worth sending it in to us. A closer look at the data will help us determine if some or all of the data is usable. The nest check frequency has some gray area, but the final nest check requirement does not.
Got it.

BioJoe wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:16 am
...it's going to require a complete redesign on the internal structure of the code.
Yikes.

BioJoe wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:16 am
Bottom line: if you submit the data we have it even though it doesn't show on the map.
Thanks.

randyM wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:33 pm
I also submit all of my nest data (for martins, bluebirds, wrens, and tree swallows) to the Cornell Lab of Ornithology.
I do that as well. I've also participated in "Sparrow Swap" in the past.
BioJoe
Posts: 132
Joined: Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:18 pm
Location: PA/Erie

Yikes is the correct response.
TheSmiths wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:17 am
BioJoe wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:16 am
Regarding nest checks greater than 7 days apart: It's worth sending it in to us. A closer look at the data will help us determine if some or all of the data is usable. The nest check frequency has some gray area, but the final nest check requirement does not.
Got it.

BioJoe wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:16 am
...it's going to require a complete redesign on the internal structure of the code.
Yikes.

BioJoe wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:16 am
Bottom line: if you submit the data we have it even though it doesn't show on the map.
Thanks.

randyM wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:33 pm
I also submit all of my nest data (for martins, bluebirds, wrens, and tree swallows) to the Cornell Lab of Ornithology.
I do that as well. I've also participated in "Sparrow Swap" in the past.
Okie
Posts: 541
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2016 3:26 pm
Location: Claremore, OK
Martin Colony History: 2016 Informed landlord now Have 2 pair returning from 2015 That is a miracle. Hoping for a very successful year, sparrow population on decline.
First house was plastic with crescent holes Had martins within a few days. Ignorant landlord gradually lost them
Then got Trio House and still lost most of them. Lots of sparrows

Kyler I really enjoyed your article in the magazine. Thanks so much for writing and sending it. I think I can safely say that most all of us "adults" on the forum are endeared to both you and Marcus and love hearing what you have to say. It is so encouraging to watch the future of Purple Martins unfolding before us.
Good luck with all your ventures and may the Martins shine upon you.
Okie
Okie
PMCA member
2016 Started with 2 pair, 1 pair abandoned after HOSP destroyed eggs
1 pair= 6 eggs, 6 fledged
2017 1 pair so far, But they abandoned before nest complete for ?reason? Now Bridless and joined the Wannabes
2018 One pair ASY male SY female 5 eggs, 5 fledged
Dave Reynolds
Posts: 1919
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

BioJoe wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:37 am
Yikes is the correct response.
TheSmiths wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:17 am
BioJoe wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:16 am
Regarding nest checks greater than 7 days apart: It's worth sending it in to us. A closer look at the data will help us determine if some or all of the data is usable. The nest check frequency has some gray area, but the final nest check requirement does not.
Got it.

BioJoe wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:16 am
...it's going to require a complete redesign on the internal structure of the code.
Yikes.

BioJoe wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:16 am
Bottom line: if you submit the data we have it even though it doesn't show on the map.
Thanks.

randyM wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:33 pm
I also submit all of my nest data (for martins, bluebirds, wrens, and tree swallows) to the Cornell Lab of Ornithology.
I do that as well. I've also participated in "Sparrow Swap" in the past.
...

Thank you Bio Joe for all your help.. I submitted my Martinwatch form yesterday ,,, And received a e-mail that it will be used in the Purple Martin Research project.. Thanks again for your patience with me and all the new landlords.

Dave
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

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