No interest in my cavities

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kim w.
Posts: 89
Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 6:43 pm
Location: IN/Goshen

Question for more experienced. The last three days I have had subs around my setup. Mostly sit on the electric line close by or once and a while on top of a house. I have not seen one even look at at or in a cavity. This is year five for me trying to establish a colony. The past two years I’ve had a couple stay in a cavity for up to ten days or so but were unsuccessful in getting a mate. The only thing different this year its almost two weeks earlier. There here but not interested?
Kim W.
C.C.Martins
Posts: 886
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- didnt know anything about martins, put up an all wrong house in 2016 and had two come by and inspect all the cavities. Left soon after not to return. Learned what i could on PMCA made adjustments and next year was successful.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021:
Home colony: mix natural gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.
Satelite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 12 gourds: PMCA excluder gourds, 6 room trio mino castle with enlarged compartments.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021:
PMCA member

Perhaps describe for the group what you have to offer as far as housing and perhaps the location? could be a number of things, tough to say. they are in the area so something is keeping them from investigating further.
Tom
PMCA member, believer in nest checks, venting, SREH and pest/predator protection.
kim w.
Posts: 89
Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 6:43 pm
Location: IN/Goshen

I build my own houses. Two T10’s one with crescent openings and SnK bo 11’s underneath and one with with SnK tunnels and Troyes horizontal gourds under it. Third house mimics a trendsetter with Conley 11. Also built a covered bed and breakfast. I have smeared mud, play dawn song, 2 decoys and offer a couple round holes. Sparrows and starlings are trapped or shot. Also found out if you catch bluebirds or tree swallows in my sparrow traps a few times they soon figure they’re not welcome in this area. I have plenty of other nesting boxes on the farm for them.
Kim W.
kim w.
Posts: 89
Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 6:43 pm
Location: IN/Goshen

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Dan G
Posts: 403
Joined: Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:52 pm
Location: PA/Bellefonte
Martin Colony History: Trying since 2014. Visitors, but no nests. Several colonies with in 6 mile radius.
2020- An SY male built a nest but could not attract a mate.

I am by no way experienced since I am not a landlord but like you, have been trying for five years. Sounds like you are doing the normal things. Is the housing you are offering, similar to what nearby landlords have?
That’s interesting that the B.B.s learn not to be trapped.
Bellefonte PA
2014, 1st year-a few lookers, no nests
2015, 'Spot' SY male, here every day from 5-28 to 6-23
2016 added a perch wire between house and gourd rack
offering 22 cavities, T-14 plus 8 gourds
2016, multiple visitors from 6-20 on. Almost daily
2017- Lots of visitors late in season.
2018- Adding another T-14. Few visitors
2019- Hopeful but stopped holding my breath
2020-SY male built a nest.
TheSmiths
Posts: 329
Joined: Mon May 12, 2014 1:02 pm
Location: Western KY
Martin Colony History:

Tried to attract PMs since 2004; began more ernest attempt in 2014.

Current housing consists of two modified Trio M12Ks and a round gourd rack.

2018 — 3 pairs

2019 — 6 pairs

2020 — 12 pairs; barred owl late in season


Monitor FILs colony as well as colony at park.

~15 years of providing housing for bluebirds, Carolina wrens, house wrens, Carolina chickadees, tufted titmice, great-crested flycatchers and northern flickers.

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kim w.
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Location: IN/Goshen

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Kim W.
C.C.Martins
Posts: 886
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- didnt know anything about martins, put up an all wrong house in 2016 and had two come by and inspect all the cavities. Left soon after not to return. Learned what i could on PMCA made adjustments and next year was successful.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021:
Home colony: mix natural gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.
Satelite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 12 gourds: PMCA excluder gourds, 6 room trio mino castle with enlarged compartments.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021:
PMCA member

My gosh! thats quite the set up. Congrats on a well managed and well done site. Ok, well it doesnt look tree choked and that power line is in a great spot! It looks Martin friendly to me. I think its just a matter of time, you have a lot of room for them. They stayed for a bit, all you need is that one first pair. From the subbie reports in the state and from what the folks here are saying, its been slow going for them to show.

I think its just a matter of time, you have an awesome set up! Maybe LLs in your state will chime in here?
Wish you all the best of luck,
Tom
Tom
PMCA member, believer in nest checks, venting, SREH and pest/predator protection.
Matt F.
Posts: 3903
Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:48 am
Location: Houston, TX

Your site looks great Kim!
I really like the traditional , Trendsetter style house!
Question: Are there any active colonies near you? If so, what kind of housing are they using?
Buckeyefarmer
Posts: 135
Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:33 am
Location: Ohio
Martin Colony History: 2015- 0 visitors
2016- 0 visitors
2017- built T-14+songbird magnet, 6 pairs,15 fledged
2018- built 2nd T-14. Anxiously waiting!!

Nice job on the houses, they look great!
Hang in there, it will happen eventually.
Mark
Central, OHIO.
kim w.
Posts: 89
Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 6:43 pm
Location: IN/Goshen

Thanks for the compliments. I don’t have to many colonies within 5 miles but 5-12 miles there’s a boatload. More trendsetter and t-14 style house than gourds but still definitely some gourds too. As a matter of fact the trendsetter is made about 8 miles from me.
Kim W.
randy741985
Posts: 160
Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:08 pm
Location: NE Alabama
Martin Colony History: 2018-First Year 0 Martins
2019- Lots Lookers
2020- TBD

kim w. wrote:Thanks for the compliments. I don’t have to many colonies within 5 miles but 5-12 miles there’s a boatload. More trendsetter and t-14 style house than gourds but still definitely some gourds too. As a matter of fact the trendsetter is made about 8 miles from me.
This is my first year I have had no Luck and I know very Little. But how far is your site located from Human Housing and activity? Also can you tell me where you got the pulleys for the top of your Poles? Your site looks Great.

Thanks
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2018-14 Gourds First Year 0 Martins
2019- 14 Gourds Lots Lookers
2020- 6 Gourds had one male stay 3 weeks.
2021- TBD
sugarcreek
Posts: 223
Joined: Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:43 am
Location: Sugarcreek, Ohio
Martin Colony History: 2016 First Yr.

Don't know if your playing the dawnsong tape or not but if you aren't that could shake some things up for you...If your houses are within 50 ft of your house and no trees from the houses to your place you look like you have a very nice location and its just a matter of time.

My first yr it was May 24th till my first pair showed up
2016 - 1st Yr. 14 Compartments 4 Active Nests 9 fledged, 2.25 Fledged per Active Nest
2017 - 2nd Yr. 36 Compartments 18 Active Nests 65 Fledged, 3.61 Fledged per Active Nest
2018 - 3rd Yr. 54 Compartments 43 Active Nests 169 Fledged, 3.93 Fledged per Active Nest
2019 - 4th Yr. 108 Compartments 67 Active Nests 209 Fledged, 3.12 Fledged per Active Nest
2020 - 5th Yr. 108 Compartments 72 Active Nests 243 Fledged, 3.38 Fledged per Active Nest
phldave
Posts: 514
Joined: Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:44 pm
Location: Iowa/Pleasant Hill
Martin Colony History: Started trying in 2012 and still trying

kim,
I feel your pain. I hope we get some of these subbies still moving north to find us and move in. It's just got to happen, we have paid our dues.
Very best of luck to you,
Dave
2012 late start
2013 nothing yet, lots a lookers
2014 Bust again
2015 Bust again
2016 Bust again
2017 Bust again
2018 April 14 a group joined me, but moved on after a week
2019 Had SY male seriously check me out but didn't stay
kim w.
Posts: 89
Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 6:43 pm
Location: IN/Goshen

Thanks Dave. And the best of luck to you. It’s got to happen sometime
Kim W.
kim w.
Posts: 89
Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 6:43 pm
Location: IN/Goshen

Playing dawn song and the houses are 50-60’ from my shop. The pullies came from s n k manufacturing
Kim W.
randy741985
Posts: 160
Joined: Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:08 pm
Location: NE Alabama
Martin Colony History: 2018-First Year 0 Martins
2019- Lots Lookers
2020- TBD

Thanks for the response, I think with your setup it will happen. :)
2018-14 Gourds First Year 0 Martins
2019- 14 Gourds Lots Lookers
2020- 6 Gourds had one male stay 3 weeks.
2021- TBD
Emil Pampell-Tx
Posts: 6743
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:26 pm
Location: Tx, Richmond (SW of Houston)
Martin Colony History: First started in Gretna, La in 1969 with a small homemade house, have had martins ever since at 2 different homes in Texas

Kim, your site looks good. However, if you wish to improve it and increase interest in your housing, the very best thing to do is to remove some trees, that ALWAYS works.
PMCA Member, 250 gourds, 6 poles, 2traps
pmlover
Posts: 806
Joined: Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:30 pm
Location: OH/New Concord

to many trees by your houses plus the utility lines look to close to houses which is a great place for hawks.
I suspect hawks are the problems and if you don't have guards on your poles snakes or varmets could be keeping them out.
2015 69 pairs 418 eggs 396 fledged
2019 I have 148 openings now
2016 100 pairs 600 babies fledged added another t-14 and have 126 openings now
2015 Jun 24 360 babies and 58 eggs also found one that had died
2017 632 babies 11died and 20 were killed by hawks
2015 74 pairs and 9 eggs 5/14
2010 3pairss
]JOINED PMCA JUNE 6,2018
2018 651 babies 5 hawk kills 11 floater kills 25 died in houses and 610 fledged

2014 80 pairs 283 babies 282 fledged one died
kim w.
Posts: 89
Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 6:43 pm
Location: IN/Goshen

pmlover, Emil
The trees are over 100' away. Your the first person that said the power lines a problem. Most say its a great perch for the martins. Besides how is that any different than putting up a perch pole which a lot of the Amish around me have? Predator guards are in place.
Kim W.
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