May Have to downsize next year. or lose site

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lockharttaylor
Posts: 197
Joined: Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:33 pm
Location: texas/lockhart

We have a family of two , they come back every night and stay the night , but are gone all day. They having been flying for more than a week. Ever other day a bunch come in the morning, we keep thinking that they will leave with them, but later in the evening they are back. We may have to downsize next year as they are building in our neighborhood and it looks like they will be building a two story home right behind us. We still have the street on one side and the street in front, but am afraid that the birds will not be able to get to the houses. the two story will be about 30 feet. Will just have to wait till next year to see what happens.
8 pairs 2005, 33 pairs 2006, 55 pairs 2007, 65 pairs 227 fledged 2008, 68 pairs 244 fledged 2009, 63 pairs 291 fledged 2010 make 296 2011 73 pairs 2013 59 Pairs 190 Fledged,2014 62 Pairs 2 babies 230 Fledged 2015? 72 pairs 4 babies 273 fledged 2018 75 pairs 267 fledged 2020,
bwenger
Posts: 1048
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:24 pm
Location: Pennsylvania/Espyville/Pymatuning Reservoir Area
Martin Colony History: Taking care of 11 active public colonies and trying to start two more in northwestern PA. Also attempting to restart another one in southwestern PA, in Collier Township's Hilltop Park. In 2017, not sure what happened but the ASY male returned and then a couple of weeks later he was gone. It could have been weather related. No other birds showed up. I had a starling nesting at the Public site that I had trouble getting rid of.
In 2018, we fledged 629 martins at all of the sites.

You have such a large colony, it will be sad and unfortunate that you may have to downsize!

You have done a lot of good for martins over the last decade, so you have to feel good about that.

Hang in there!

Bill
Dave Duit
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Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:02 pm
Location: Iowa / Nevada
Martin Colony History: In 2020, 60 pair with 285 fledged youngsters. 83 total cavities available, 58 Troyer Horizontal gourds and 4 modified deep trio metal house units, 1 fallout shelter, owl cages around all units. Martin educator and speaker. President and founder of the Iowa Purple Martin Organization. Please visit www.iamartin.org and join.

A long shot, but are there possibilities of recruiting new landlords in your near vicinity?
Mite control, heat venting, predator protection and additional feeding during bad weather add up to success.
John Miller
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Location: St. Louis, MO

If there are two flyways in, the martins may continue to use the housing as it's already colonized. Maybe some of the housing could be moved toward the street side of the yard so there would be a more open flyway?

If it's something you'd enjoy, consider erecting part of the housing in a nearby park where you'd enjoy caring for it, or a golf course or common ground in the subdivision. You may incur challenges to getting permission and the location may require consideration to potential vandalism, or other public uses of the site. But it could be very rewarding for you, and the martins.

John M
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klcretired
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Location: Grand Prairie,Tx

lockharttaylor
My PM Housing /Gourd Rack are only 20ft from the House that I live in ,Right behind me are two story Houses, I get Martins every year no problem , the martins depend upon us for Housing please wait B-4 you downsize, that is just my opinion, Thank you for all you do to help our Martins
Kenny
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Wishing everyone a Great Martin Year
Happy Martining for 2020 to everyone,

K.C.

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DornCounty
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Location: Rural SE Kansas
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my guess is since your site is well established that you will be OK.
2017 - Home & Public Colonies - 300 Cavities
lockharttaylor
Posts: 197
Joined: Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:33 pm
Location: texas/lockhart

Found out today who our new neighbors will be. They have a 8 and 10 year old. The boy is very interest in everything, grandma states that he would probably be interested in the birds. Right now the houses are about 23 feet from our one story house. We do have one on the fence next to a empty lot, we probably have to move that house. Right now we just have to wait and see when they move here.



Gary Taylor
8 pairs 2005, 33 pairs 2006, 55 pairs 2007, 65 pairs 227 fledged 2008, 68 pairs 244 fledged 2009, 63 pairs 291 fledged 2010 make 296 2011 73 pairs 2013 59 Pairs 190 Fledged,2014 62 Pairs 2 babies 230 Fledged 2015? 72 pairs 4 babies 273 fledged 2018 75 pairs 267 fledged 2020,
Vern1
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Location: Pettytown, Texas, US of A

I don't think you will have a problem with the birds as they have been successful there for years.
In the edge of town like you are, flyways are not quite as important as the predatory birds usually don't hang around there too much.

You may have a problem with your neighbor when that many Martins start singing along the fence line 30 feet from their house.
Maybe get them educated and ease them into the Martin family!
Cheers,
Joe
2015 - 40 cavities - 37 pair - fledged 172
2016 - 40 cavities - 38 pair - fledged 192
Hosting Purple Martins since 1976...Managing since 2006.
Dave Duit
Posts: 1956
Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:02 pm
Location: Iowa / Nevada
Martin Colony History: In 2020, 60 pair with 285 fledged youngsters. 83 total cavities available, 58 Troyer Horizontal gourds and 4 modified deep trio metal house units, 1 fallout shelter, owl cages around all units. Martin educator and speaker. President and founder of the Iowa Purple Martin Organization. Please visit www.iamartin.org and join.

My mentor had his house 20 feet from martin housing and large tree surrounding his location, but the site fidelity was high and he had no problems with martins returning. I agree with previous posts in waiting to see if martins will adapt before down sizing.
Mite control, heat venting, predator protection and additional feeding during bad weather add up to success.
tonyg
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Joined: Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:16 pm
Location: Olpe, KS
Martin Colony History: 22 year landlord, 14 at current residence..offering 9 racks and a homemade T-8 for 166 total cavities. 160 Pair in 2018 Racks consist of a Deluxe 12, AAA 16, Starburst 16, 2 K-18 Series, Super 24, 2 Gemini, Multi-purpose/two trio’s/4gourds and a T-8..Great hobby to be involved in..

Only thing you might have to worry about is all your adult martins depositing baby poop on your new neighbors driveway and roof next year!! :grin:
22 year landlord..9 Rack Systems for 2018 and my home built T-8 for a total of 166 cavities..160 pair in 2018 ..SUPER COLONY!!! Love You Bev... Fan of those St. Louis Cardinals!!!!!
Emil Pampell-Tx
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Location: Tx, Richmond (SW of Houston)
Martin Colony History: First started in Gretna, La in 1969 with a small homemade house, have had martins ever since at 2 different homes in Texas

A lot of people park their vehicles on their driveway, especially when they first move in and have a garage full of boxes. Also, swimming pools nextdoor can be a problem.

The martins poop on the neighbors cars, and in their swimming pools, and that is the main problem with a large colony. Actually, you cannot blame the neighbors for being upset by that, so if that happens, then you must downsize.

I hope the neighbors accept the martins, and it may help to tell them that you only have them for 4 or 5 months.
PMCA Member, 250 gourds, 6 poles, 2traps
lockharttaylor
Posts: 197
Joined: Sun Jul 03, 2005 1:33 pm
Location: texas/lockhart

We still have a family of two and mother and father coming back tonight. Last night we seen only one , tonight one came in and then three more.
The form for the house behind has started, it is going to be about 30 feet from the houses on the back side of new house, which it then gets farther away toward the front of the new house. We have to change the direction of one of the houses. One for sure will have to be removed because it is on the fence next to another empty lot. We still have the front of the house, so we are possible thinking about putting a guord rack up front.

Gary Taylor
8 pairs 2005, 33 pairs 2006, 55 pairs 2007, 65 pairs 227 fledged 2008, 68 pairs 244 fledged 2009, 63 pairs 291 fledged 2010 make 296 2011 73 pairs 2013 59 Pairs 190 Fledged,2014 62 Pairs 2 babies 230 Fledged 2015? 72 pairs 4 babies 273 fledged 2018 75 pairs 267 fledged 2020,
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