T-14

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chickadee
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My husband is going to try to build me a t-14 house. From plans on chucks web page. My question is do they have to have wood trays? Or is their something else you put down on the floor not to take up the nesting space? Or does it even need anything? Thanks
2008 first year 1 pair. 2009 3 pair. 2010 7 pair. 2011 20 pair . 2012 44 pair 280 eggs 210 fledged. 2013 67 pair. 2014?
Dave Reynolds
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Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

Chickadee -- I have a friend that built two T-14's from Chuck's plans. He does not use any trays in the T-14's. I think he said that there in a small board that is installed in the front of the rooms called a "Keeper".
This is all that he has (inside the room) is a Keeper board mounted on the floor at the door. The Entrance is then cut to be 1/4 above the Keeper board. Hope this helps

Dave -- in Little Hocking, Ohio
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

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~Ray~Gingerich
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It's nice to have the slide out trays though, it makes nest checks so much easier. They can be made with sheet insulation too
~Ray~ Gingerich
1999 1pair, 2006 2 pair, 2008 2 pair,
2009 23 pair, 2010 39 pair, 2011 67 pair,
2012 115 pair, 2013 160 pair,
2014 152 pair, 2015 174 pair, 2016 178 pair
2017 187 pair, 2018 200 pair, 2019 171pair
2020 233 pair
chickadee
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Besides the ease of skidding out? What is the purpose of something on the floor? Can't they just use wood like the blue birds? If not can I just put hard ware cloth or whatever that mesh wire stuff is called? I am very uneducated here. I have always just used gourds that are right the first time.
2008 first year 1 pair. 2009 3 pair. 2010 7 pair. 2011 20 pair . 2012 44 pair 280 eggs 210 fledged. 2013 67 pair. 2014?
Louise Chambers
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Without a slide-out nest tray, it is harder to see/count eggs and young. Removable trays make for much easier clean-up at end of year, and nest replacement if needed.

A floor-only tray with no walls is not as safe - nestlings day 15 or so on are capable of jumping overboard as you slide tray forward, meaning they end up at back of compartment and you cannot slide tray back in without picking them up and putting back in tray.

The slide-out trays are a helpful tool for nest checks and cleaning. If you don't use trays (we make ours from sheets of foam insulation) you will probably want an automotive mirror on extendable handle + flashlight for nest checks.
Dave Reynolds
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Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

Chickadee -- My friend uses nothing on the floor. (I know some people do use nest trays) The nest trays just make it easy to clean. The "Keeper board" that he spoke of was just to keep the nestlings and the nesting material inside and away from the door a little.

Dave
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

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~Ray~Gingerich
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Another advantage of slide out trays is nest changes, if you have a spare on hand with prenest and sevin dust in place then all you do is switchout the babies and clean up the dirty tray later. That shortens down time.
~Ray~ Gingerich
1999 1pair, 2006 2 pair, 2008 2 pair,
2009 23 pair, 2010 39 pair, 2011 67 pair,
2012 115 pair, 2013 160 pair,
2014 152 pair, 2015 174 pair, 2016 178 pair
2017 187 pair, 2018 200 pair, 2019 171pair
2020 233 pair
chickadee
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What is keeper board? I am going to have to look at pictures or something. I have wanted this house for years. And am applying enough pressure to hubby this year to build it.(lol) I just want a house that has a lot of compartments and big ones. If not I feel like that pole with a six room house is wasted space. When it can be a 16 gourd rack. But I always wanted to add a house for early returns to provide heat in it. And for the martins who prefer a house. A little variety.
2008 first year 1 pair. 2009 3 pair. 2010 7 pair. 2011 20 pair . 2012 44 pair 280 eggs 210 fledged. 2013 67 pair. 2014?
Louise Chambers
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In this link to nest tray for T14, the part Dave calls a keeper bar would be the section of tray that runs from side to side - could be lower than what's shown here, it would help keep nest, eggs, babies away from the entrance.

http://shop.purplemartin.org/T14_Martin ... tails.aspx
chickadee
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Ok so would the nest part be in the back of the compartment ?and their would still be room for dad to roost in front of the tray? Just worried about it taking up room for the whole family to fit. Those nest trays look small.
2008 first year 1 pair. 2009 3 pair. 2010 7 pair. 2011 20 pair . 2012 44 pair 280 eggs 210 fledged. 2013 67 pair. 2014?
phillip26r
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I built a T-14, and I don't use nest trays. However, I can definitely see the advantage of them when it comes to nest checks and cleaning. I didn't get around to adding them this year but I probably will next year.
pmlover
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Location: OH/New Concord

build your house with the specs then get inside nests to fit houses. in the winter you can turn around the inside nests and it will block the holes .
dick
2015 69 pairs 418 eggs 396 fledged
2019 I have 148 openings now
2016 100 pairs 600 babies fledged added another t-14 and have 126 openings now
2015 Jun 24 360 babies and 58 eggs also found one that had died
2017 632 babies 11died and 20 were killed by hawks
2015 74 pairs and 9 eggs 5/14
2010 3pairss
]JOINED PMCA JUNE 6,2018
2018 651 babies 5 hawk kills 11 floater kills 25 died in houses and 610 fledged

2014 80 pairs 283 babies 282 fledged one died
pmlover
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build your house with the specs then get inside nests to fit houses. in the winter you can turn around the inside nests and it will block the holes .
dick
2015 69 pairs 418 eggs 396 fledged
2019 I have 148 openings now
2016 100 pairs 600 babies fledged added another t-14 and have 126 openings now
2015 Jun 24 360 babies and 58 eggs also found one that had died
2017 632 babies 11died and 20 were killed by hawks
2015 74 pairs and 9 eggs 5/14
2010 3pairss
]JOINED PMCA JUNE 6,2018
2018 651 babies 5 hawk kills 11 floater kills 25 died in houses and 610 fledged

2014 80 pairs 283 babies 282 fledged one died
Peggy Riley
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Location: TX/Tolar

I really like the trays. If you have trouble reaching the top cavity it sure helps to be able to slide the tray out, do your check and slide it back.

Peggy
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Dave Reynolds
Posts: 1921
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

Chickadee -- Sent you a PM.

Dave
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

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Archer
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Location: Manitoba/Altona
Martin Colony History: six pair in 2014, have grown to 52 pairs in 2017.

From Chuck's page, the piece across the front is the keeper board. As mentioned earlier, the keeper board keeps the chicks or nest material from falling out when you open the door.

http://www.chuckspurplemartinpage.com/t14-02.jpg

If you go with nest trays you won't need this keeper piece as it will keep you from sliding the nest tray out. The height of your opening will depend on the thickness of the nest tray. Hope this helps.
2011- first year trying, a few visitors.
2012-One ASY pair, raised two young, lots of subby visitors. So thankfull.
2013-daily subby visits.
2014-Six SY pairs
2015-18 pair, 83 fledglings
2016-36 pair, 147 fledglings
2017-52 pairs, 192 fledglings.
2018-60 pair, 246 fledglings.
2019-59 pair, 238 fledglings.
2020-62 pair.
Dave Reynolds
Posts: 1921
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:35 pm
Location: Little Hocking, Oh.
Martin Colony History: 2018 Success at my Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”.
2019 Success at my home Site "Little Hocking, Ohio".

Archer --
Thanks so much for the photo of the Keeper boards in the T-14.

I wanted to fine that photo and send it to Chickadee. But you are ahead of me and I thank you for it. Hopefully Chickadee will see your note.

Dave -- in Little Hocking, Ohio
Home Site “Little Hocking, Ohio”
2010 / 2018 -- Lots of Visitors
2019 — 1 Pair, 5 Eggs, 5 Babies, 5 fledged. :wink:
2020 — 1 Pair, 4 Eggs, 4 Babies, 4 fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

Satellite Site “Oxbow Golf Course”
2018 -- 15 Pair, 58 Eggs, 38 Hatched and 36 Fledged :wink:
2019 — 26 Pair, 128 Eggs, 99 Babies and 97 Fledged. :wink:
2020 — 30 Pair, 156 Eggs, 137 Babies and 137 Fledged. :wink:
2021 — Waiting on March 2021

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Evan337
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Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Personally, I would purchase Troyer's T-14 plans. I built two T-14 plans. The first T-14 I built I used Chuck's plans and pictures of other T-14 projects I found online. Working from Troyer's plans were much easier and I like the way the house turned out better. Much cleaner look.

Nest Trays are a must and they are easy to build.
chickadee
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Location: ohio

Thanks for everyone's tips. The photo really helps. And I can see how big a compartment is. Looks like a roomy nice house for them. I can see how the trays would be easier to work with. But my important thing is giving them room more then making it easy for me. And is their a difference with the troyer plans then chucks way?
2008 first year 1 pair. 2009 3 pair. 2010 7 pair. 2011 20 pair . 2012 44 pair 280 eggs 210 fledged. 2013 67 pair. 2014?
Evan337
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Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana

There is a difference in the construction. Looking at Chuck's plans, his design maybe easier to build because the attention to detail on the porches and roof doesn't appear to be the same as Troyer. If you put Troyer Tunnels or another tunnel type on the doors that will be a big time saver.

I prefer the look of the Troyer's design. the roof overhang and porch shapes, and proportions juts look very classic to me. Just a personal preference. I'm sure the martins will thrive in either design.

I did both Chuck's pole hazer system design and the Troyer laminated 4x6 design and I though the laminated 4x6 was much easier to build and install.

Attached should be a picture of the T-14 I built when first installed and another picture of the T-14 after I installed four Troyer horizontal gourds.
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