Airgun- What should I buy? please advise

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Peter C
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Location: Pennsylvania/Farmington
Martin Colony History: Rural area, only known colony in Fayette County, PA
Two wooden T-14s, each with four Troyer horizontal gourds, Conley II entrances
2017 26 pairs, 99 fledged
2016 21 pairs, 74 fledged
2015 15 pairs, 40 fledged
2014 9 pairs, 29 fledged
2013 8 pairs, 20 fledged
2012 1 pair, 4 fledged
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I've never owned an airgun, but want to purchase one for control of sparrows and starlings.
Any advice as to what model to buy would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
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I have had the best results using a Benjamin pump in .22 caliber with a large rifle scope. The pump action allows you to use the amount of pressure for the shot you are making. Three strokes will kill house sparrows and starlings at 20 yards. I use the flat headed pellets called target pellets or wad cutters, and are definitely more accurate than the pointed head pellets. I like a scope with 4 to 9 variable power so that I can get the view that I need for different shooting locations. Take time to sight in the gun for the distance that you usually would be shooting from. You should be able to put 10 shots inside a dime diameter at 20 yards. With that accuracy, you will have a high ratio of kills on the first shot. HS get skittish after a couple misses. Shoot the female HS first, as she will abandon the nest if you shoot the male first.
Emil Pampell-Tx
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If you have the money, the best is Beeman R7. They are perfect for the home use.
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scandia
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what about the beeman r9 a have to shoot about 35 yards from house to birdhouse which would be better the r9 or r7
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Chriscreole
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Gamo Silent Stalker Whisper .177 1300 fps comes with a scope, drop a Prairie Dog at 100 yards instantly.
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scandia
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wow a 100 yards thats impressive fror an air rifle. Right now i have a daisy power line 1000 its a 1000fps it shoots good up to about 25 yards then its all over about 5inches off all over not consistent at about 35 yards i have tried different pellets best one so far is the gamo power pellets the pba gold. maybe its not a good enough gun. I was at store and they had a rws diana model 350 magnum .22 cal some body never picked it was supposed to be a $500 gun they would sell for $200 anybody know the accuracy of a gun like that its probably way more gun than i would need but it might be a good deal? looking for any suggestions. My first choice would be a beeman but they are expensive. But I don't want to settle on a gun just because its a good deal I only want to buy one more.
2007 2 pair, 9 eggs,6hatched, 5 fledged
2008 11 pair
2009 26 pair 127 eggs, 80 hatched, 38 fledged
2010 36 pair 175 eggs, 110 hatched, 103 fledged
2011 46 pairs 242 eggs,160 hatched,146 fledged
2012 60 pairs 311 eggs,265 hatched, 255 fledged
Gobbler T
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My wife gave me a Beeman grizzly x2 for Christmas It has both .22 caliber & .177 caliber barrels. I can't seem to hit a darn thing with it. I'm wondering if it is the cheep scope that came with it, or just the rifle (maybe it's me) :lol:
I considered putting a 3x9x50 on it off my 30-06 to see if that makes a difference.
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Don Strickland
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Gobbler,
Better be cafeful putting an expensive rifle scope on a pellet gun. I've been told a pellet gun will wreck a rifle scope. Something about the recoil is backwards to a rifle and a rifle scope isn't built to withstand the backward recoil.
I can't hit anything with my pellet gun either, so I use my 10/22.
Don
Gobbler T
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I didn't know that Don. Thanks for the tip. I'll have to do some checking before going further.
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RandallRash
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I bought a Beeman R7 2 years ago and have been VERY happy. The accuracy is astounding, and the break barrel is much easier to reload and ready to fire than my prior rifle, which was a Walmart Airmaster 77 which wore me out pumping it up and had a pattern the size of a paper plate at 75 feet. I bought a Beeman that came with a scope and it is a wonderful gun.
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jeffwilliams72
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Gobbler, Don is right, airguns recoil in both directions because of the piston. My first airgun was a Gamo CFX,it came with a scope that was total junk. I couldn't maintain any pattern with it, so I mounted a Leapers 3x9x40 air rifle scope on it. It shot like a lazer beam with the new scope. After about 3 years of heavy shooting the shot dropped 5 inches, I mailed it back to Gamo and they rebuilt it for $50. But it went bad during Martin season, so I broke down and bought a Beeman Model-DE .177, put the Leapers scope on it, it shoots like a dream. It has an adjustable trigger.
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jeffwilliams72
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Gobbler, Don is right, airguns recoil in both directions because of the piston. My first airgun was a Gamo CFX,it came with a scope that was total junk. I couldn't maintain any pattern with it, so I mounted a Leapers 3x9x40 air rifle scope on it. It shot like a lazer beam with the new scope. After about 3 years of heavy shooting the shot dropped 5 inches, I mailed it back to Gamo and they rebuilt it for $50. But it went bad during Martin season, so I broke down and bought a Beeman Model-DE .177, put the Leapers scope on it, it shoots like a dream. It has an adjustable trigger.
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Mitch Booth
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Martin Colony History: 2012 - 0
2013 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 2 fledged
2014 - 0
2015 - 1 pair, 5 died during week of rain
2016 - 0
2017 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2018 - 4 pair, 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2019 - 7 pair
2020 -

I purchased a break barrel rifle but couldn't consistently shoot nickel size groups at fifty yards. The inconsistencies drove me crazy. The recoil with these spring powered rifles WILL play havoc on your your rifle scope. People must learn proper hold techniques to combat the recoil and I obviously didn't practice enough. Long story short I purchased the Benjamin Marauder which is a PCP or pre charged pneumatic. No recoil, no special scope mounts as there is no recoil, no learning hold techniques and I can shoot dime sized groups on a fresh charge at fifty yards. The down side is they are a little more expensive and you must buy a high pressure 3000 psi pump to charge the gun. I can eliminate HOSP and starlings anywhere from 10 yards to 50 yards. Shots closer than 10 yards and over 50 yards require hold over. Pyramid Air offers great support. Try to google them and their sales staff will spend much time w you. I love mine and would never go back to a springer.

Mitch
2020 -
2019 - 7 pair
2018 - 4 pair 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2017 - 1 pair 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2016 - 0 only visits
2015 - 1 pair 5 eggs, 5 hatched, 5 dead on days 6-7
2014 - 0 only visits
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2012 - 0
Tim Stover
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gobbler i have used a redfield 3x9x40 on one a long time before i went to a real gun never had a problem they are guaranteed for life if it messes up they give you a new one
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Sparky
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I've got several air rifles and I'm now looking for something with a silencer. Seems, within 2 shots, the neighbors are out looking for where the shots are coming from! :roll:
I'm a "nestcamaholic" Is 18 hours a day a bad thing? (I have 2 this year, luckily I have 2 eyes!)
dsonyay
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Martin Colony History: 2010-2014 located in Slidell LA. Gourd rack with 16 gourds. Max of 2 pairs during this short period in Slidell. Plenty of fledglings.

2014-present.. moved to Broussard LA. Same Gourd Rack but added a 6 room house (modified from a 12 room)

2020: after a long drought of nothing, 4 pairs and 4 nests, 23 eggs total (May2020)

Sparky wrote:I've got several air rifles and I'm now looking for something with a silencer. Seems, within 2 shots, the neighbors are out looking for where the shots are coming from! :roll:
You need a Benjamin Marauder in .177 cal. It is silent. The rifle has a shrouded barrel which acts like a silencer. I've shot this rifle and it is virtually silent. It is also the most accurate air rifle I've ever shot and I've shot just about everything. Well, not everything, but a lot.

A Rifle that also is underated is the Benjamin pump. I think it's the 917. About 5 pumps will easily kill a starling and with a good scope, it is VERY accurate within 25 yards. You can pump them up to 10, but it's overkill for starlings and under. You can buy them at most sporting goods stores.

Marauders are pricey, once you buy the required scope and accessories to charge it with air.
Sparky
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Thanks Dave! Yeah, I checked those out last year. Seemed complicated with the charging. What's the best way to charge them? Get a used SCUBA tank and the proper fittings?
I'm a "nestcamaholic" Is 18 hours a day a bad thing? (I have 2 this year, luckily I have 2 eyes!)
Mitch Booth
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2018 - 4 pair, 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2019 - 7 pair
2020 -

Sparky, Dave is correct regarding the marauder. Completely silent and I can fire 20 shots without having to put more air into the gun. I've found the standard bicycle style air pump is best. You always have air available. Much cheaper set up than a scuba setup. Now if you were going to shoot several hundred rounds a day then a scuba tank may be better. It typically takes me about fifty pumps to recharge my marauder to approximately 2600 psi. The key is to pump slowly so you do not build up excessive heat. These pumps are special 3 chamber pumps capable of extremely high pressure and a standard bicycle pump will not work.


You'll find a PCP to be extremely accurate over ANY spring or piston charged gun.

Mitch
2020 -
2019 - 7 pair
2018 - 4 pair 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2017 - 1 pair 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2016 - 0 only visits
2015 - 1 pair 5 eggs, 5 hatched, 5 dead on days 6-7
2014 - 0 only visits
2013 - 1 pair 3 eggs, 2 hatched, 2 fledged
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dsonyay
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Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:10 pm
Location: Louisiana/Broussard
Martin Colony History: 2010-2014 located in Slidell LA. Gourd rack with 16 gourds. Max of 2 pairs during this short period in Slidell. Plenty of fledglings.

2014-present.. moved to Broussard LA. Same Gourd Rack but added a 6 room house (modified from a 12 room)

2020: after a long drought of nothing, 4 pairs and 4 nests, 23 eggs total (May2020)

I agree, i think getting the special HP pump with the rifle is the fastest way to get going,.. also you have to buy a scope with this rifle (no sights on the rifle).

Filling with a pump is not really hard until you hit about 2000psi from what I remember. The last dozen or so pumps are tougher. The pump works in both directions too.

If you really get into shooting it, you probably look into the scuba tanks for refilling.

From what I remember, once full, you need to top off after 20 or 25 shot... which works out to about 20 pumps.... about a pump per shot.

Also you can leave the rifle pressurized for long periods without worry. Will save you a lot of trouble when it comes time to pick off a pest at a minutes notice.
Mitch Booth
Posts: 478
Joined: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:23 am
Location: Akron, OH
Martin Colony History: 2012 - 0
2013 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 2 fledged
2014 - 0
2015 - 1 pair, 5 died during week of rain
2016 - 0
2017 - 1 pair, 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2018 - 4 pair, 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2019 - 7 pair
2020 -

Another really nice feature with marauder is that it comes with a 10 round magazine clip. If you miss or partially wound a pest it's as simple as pulling the bolt back and pushing it forward again. Dave hit on a nice point that it can be stored w pressure in it which is preferred by the way. Keeps the seals in good order and the gun can be grabbed in an instant to get off that shot. No pumping and no looking for pellets. The gun is so silent that I've taken out two starlings on a T14 with two shots back to back. The hand pumps are a couple of hundred dollars and the charging process is no different than pumping up a bicycle tire. As far as PCP guns are concerned you will not find a better value for the dollar. I think I had 600 wrapped in mine with the pump and gun but most PCP air rifles start at 900 for the gun only and go up to several thousand for competition grade guns.

Mitch
2020 -
2019 - 7 pair
2018 - 4 pair 19 eggs, 19 fledged
2017 - 1 pair 4 eggs, 4 fledged
2016 - 0 only visits
2015 - 1 pair 5 eggs, 5 hatched, 5 dead on days 6-7
2014 - 0 only visits
2013 - 1 pair 3 eggs, 2 hatched, 2 fledged
2012 - 0
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