5 Eggs No Nest

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alfie
Posts: 54
Joined: Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:54 pm
Location: Cedar Creek, Texas
Martin Colony History: None as of Oct 2020, hoping to become a landlord in 2021

Good Morning all - I had an ASY show up on 4/27/22 and he finally got a mate and they selected one of my Gourds a couple of weeks later. I did a few nest checks to see the status of what was going on and noticed they weren't building a nest. I didn't have the opportunity to do another check for a little over a week. When I finally did the check there were 5 eggs but no nest. I thought I might just put a nest in the gourd but I don't want to touch the eggs right now for fear of breaking them. So I figured I'd just wait a few days after the babies are born then take them out and put them on a nest. But I'm wondering since there isn't a nest and I put one in it what would the Martins do? Will they accept the babies on a nest or reject them? I do have a 1/4 x 1/4 wire mesh on the bottom of the gourd to keep the babies from slipping and ruining their legs. Just not sure what the Parents would do. Any suggestions? Thanks
2021: 1 Pair 5 eggs No Fledglings
2022: 1 Pair 5 eggs
dsonyay
Posts: 1397
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:10 pm
Location: Louisiana/Broussard
Martin Colony History: 2010-2014 located in Slidell LA. Gourd rack with 16 gourds. Max of 2 pairs during this short period in Slidell. Plenty of fledglings.

2014-present.. moved to Broussard LA. Same Gourd Rack but added a 6 room house (modified from a 12 room)

2020: after a long drought of nothing, 4 pairs and 4 nests, 23 eggs total.
6 fledges.

2021: 9 pair, 47 eggs
36 hatchlings
30 fledged

That’s weird. Maybe they’re minimalists. Could be an SY female maybe?
alfie
Posts: 54
Joined: Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:54 pm
Location: Cedar Creek, Texas
Martin Colony History: None as of Oct 2020, hoping to become a landlord in 2021

They are both SY so maybe they didn’t know how to build a nest. I’m just wondering should I put one in after they hatch
2021: 1 Pair 5 eggs No Fledglings
2022: 1 Pair 5 eggs
SoIndyDon
Posts: 221
Joined: Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:45 am
Location: Indiana/Scottsburg

I've had SY females build a scant nest, but never no nest! Some SY will build a nest bowl/ nest ring with a bare bottom. I might suggest you put a little bit of white pine needles or dried grass straw circling the eggs. This will keep the eggs from rolling around in the windy conditions.
Landlording since 1996 in beautiful southern Indiana.
alfie
Posts: 54
Joined: Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:54 pm
Location: Cedar Creek, Texas
Martin Colony History: None as of Oct 2020, hoping to become a landlord in 2021

Great idea I’ll do that
2021: 1 Pair 5 eggs No Fledglings
2022: 1 Pair 5 eggs
C.C.Martins
Posts: 1874
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022-?
2022 HOSP-32, Starlings-16
Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.
Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 12 PMCA excluder gourds, 6 room trio mini castle with enlarged compartments.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: ?
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Alfie,
Suggest you be careful with the amount you put in, one year a pair had almost no pretest material in a gourd they selected, so like an idiot decided to put some more in (should have waited for them to build), 1 hand full of pine needles. They abandoned, luckily they moved to the next gourd over. Suggest you pre nest, if you aren't already, sorry if you are. Iv got some females with thin nests now, eggs were resting on the plastic. I added just a bit between the eggs and gourd. Your predicament is a bit worse, you've got eggs in there.
Thats really strange, never know what you see until you look.
Tom
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alfie
Posts: 54
Joined: Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:54 pm
Location: Cedar Creek, Texas
Martin Colony History: None as of Oct 2020, hoping to become a landlord in 2021

I guess we’ll soon see. I put a little bit in. I can see somebody peeking out the gourd now. So hopefully that’s a good sign
2021: 1 Pair 5 eggs No Fledglings
2022: 1 Pair 5 eggs
C.C.Martins
Posts: 1874
Joined: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:15 am
Location: Corpus Christi Tx
Martin Colony History: 2016- Visitors.
2017- 5 pair. 15 fledged
2018- 18 pair. 85 fledged
2019- 17 pair. 81 fledged
2020- 25 pair. 111 fledged
2021- 28 pair. 118 fledged
2022-?
2022 HOSP-32, Starlings-16
Home colony: mix natural, super, Troyer and excluder gourds, enlarged compartment house. All SREH.
Satellite colony: Oso Bay Preserve: 12 PMCA excluder gourds, 6 room trio mini castle with enlarged compartments.
2019: Visitors
2020: 3 pair, 11 fledged
2021: 10 pair, 30 fledged
2022: ?
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Yep sure is! Good save, they do all sorts of strange things. Plastic is a terrible insulator. So are leaves, good gosh our birds brought in leaves. Tough to incubate and count eggs if they are buried. I dumped a bunch yesterday.
Tom
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SueK
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Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:36 am
Location: KY

Interjecting here just to ask- I checked my 6 gourds and found various stages of build...it looks to me like their material of choice appears to be vines that they strip into thin pieces. Too large around to be thick straw stems, halved/ quartered short lengths - would share a pic but it says "file too large" (jpeg)- how to change here? Found 6 eggs in one gourd, still struggling to see in the other last one - all others empty yet. I pre-nested in the other housing (pine needles) and no takers - lots of tire kickers though, including TRES. Thanks.

SueK
alfie
Posts: 54
Joined: Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:54 pm
Location: Cedar Creek, Texas
Martin Colony History: None as of Oct 2020, hoping to become a landlord in 2021

Hi Sue - I guess I lucked out. Martins are still there. When I did another nest check some of the stuff I put in was moved around but not really where I think it should be. But hey it’s not my nest. If they are happy with it who am I to argue with them. When I do my nest replacement I’ll put a better nest in. I checked 3 days ago and still had 5 eggs, no babies. I’ll do another one Sunday or Monday depending on the rain we are supposed to get.
2021: 1 Pair 5 eggs No Fledglings
2022: 1 Pair 5 eggs
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